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On 1/7/2017 6:52 PM, Brian Cote wrote:
> vummeH raSDajDaq ba' poSayDon 'ej SIm.
> >Poseidon sat at his desk, doing figures.
> >Poseidon saß an seinem Arbeitstisch und rechnete.
DoyIchlan Hol vIjatlhbe'. DIvI' Hol jatlhwI'vaD DoyIchlan Hol lutvam
Damughta''a' SoH'e'?
Is this a story in which we find Poseidon sitting and calculating, or is
this expressing the general idea that Poseidon sits and calculates, that
this is just a thing that Poseidon tends to do? If the former, I'd
prefer to see *ba'taH* and *SImtaH,* as he's in the middle of doing
these things when the story starts.
> Hoch bIQmey loH not 'e' mev.
> >The administration of all the waters gave him endless work.
> >Die Verwaltung aller Gewässer gab ihm unendliche Arbeit.
maj.
> boQwI'pu' law' rItlaH, mI'chaj vuSHa'lu', 'ej SaHbej HochHom
> chaH, 'ach ghaHvaD potlhqu'mo' Qu'Daj, Hoch Simqa', 'ej vaj
> loQ luQaH neH boQwI'pu'Daj.
> >He could have had assistants, as many as he wanted — and he
> did have very many — but since he took his job very seriously,
> he would in the end go over all the figures and calculations
> himself, and thus his assistants were of little help to him.
> >Er hätte Hilfskräfte haben können, wie viel er wollte, und er
> hatte auch sehr viele, aber da er sein Amt sehr ernst nahm,
> rechnete er alles noch einmal durch und so halfen ihm
> die Hilfskräfte wenig.
A stylistic note: the plural suffixes are usually optional in Klingon,
and should be dropped when they are not needed to make plurality clear.
You could say *boQwI' law'* and no one would fail to understand that
you're talking about /many aids.
/
Speaking of *boQwI',* did you know the word *boQ* also means /aide,/ as
in a person who assists? You can just call them *boQ* /aide, aides.
/
In that second sentence, I'd probably say *vuSbe'lu'* instead of
*vuSHa'lu'.* The latter is the undoing or misdoing of limits rather than
the former's simple not limiting.
With *Hoch SImqa',* while the lack of a *lu- *prefix makes it impossible
for the subject to be /they/ (the assistants), I had to think carefully
to figure out what the subject and object were here. You might want to
make them explicit (redundant subjects or objects are never wrong in
Klingon when they aid understanding): *Hoch SImqa' poSayDon.
*
The use of *neH* in the last sentence is not necessarily correct. You
want it to apply to the *loQ* (to mean /only a little/), but TKD only
lets it apply to nouns (/only/) or verbs (/merely/). You might recast
the sentence like this: *vaj ghaHvaD ram boQchaj*/thus their aid was
trivial to him./ This might be confusing, because *boQ* ALSO means
/assistance,/ so an alternative could be: *vaj ghaHvaD ram QaHchaj*/so
their help was trivial to him.
/
***/
/
lutvam vISovbe'; bImugh vaj 'e' vItIvbej.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/7/2017 6:52 PM, Brian Cote wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAHgxQO1Rb0QGz49=Zo_7fHBYM8jDNNT3ZJh4REKkBVM30uNpKg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>vummeH raSDajDaq ba' poSayDon 'ej SIm.<br>
>Poseidon sat at his desk, doing figures. <br>
>Poseidon saß an seinem Arbeitstisch und rechnete.<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>DoyIchlan Hol vIjatlhbe'. DIvI' Hol jatlhwI'vaD DoyIchlan Hol
lutvam Damughta''a' SoH'e'?<br>
</p>
<p>Is this a story in which we find Poseidon sitting and
calculating, or is this expressing the general idea that Poseidon
sits and calculates, that this is just a thing that Poseidon tends
to do? If the former, I'd prefer to see <b>ba'taH</b> and <b>SImtaH,</b>
as he's in the middle of doing these things when the story starts.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAHgxQO1Rb0QGz49=Zo_7fHBYM8jDNNT3ZJh4REKkBVM30uNpKg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Hoch bIQmey loH not 'e' mev.<br>
>The administration of all the waters gave him endless work.<br>
>Die Verwaltung aller Gewässer gab ihm unendliche Arbeit.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>maj.<br>
</p>
<br>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAHgxQO1Rb0QGz49=Zo_7fHBYM8jDNNT3ZJh4REKkBVM30uNpKg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>boQwI'pu' law' rItlaH, mI'chaj vuSHa'lu', 'ej SaHbej HochHom<br>
</div>
<div>chaH, 'ach ghaHvaD potlhqu'mo' Qu'Daj, Hoch Simqa', 'ej vaj<br>
</div>
<div>loQ luQaH neH boQwI'pu'Daj.<br>
>He could have had assistants, as many as he wanted — and he
<br>
did have very many — but since he took his job very seriously, <br>
he would in the end go over all the figures and calculations <br>
himself, and thus his assistants were of little help to him.<br>
</div>
<div>>Er hätte Hilfskräfte haben können, wie viel er wollte,
und er <br>
hatte auch sehr viele, aber da er sein Amt sehr ernst nahm, <br>
rechnete er alles noch einmal durch und so halfen ihm <br>
die Hilfskräfte wenig.</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>A stylistic note: the plural suffixes are usually optional in
Klingon, and should be dropped when they are not needed to make
plurality clear. You could say <b>boQwI' law'</b> and no one
would fail to understand that you're talking about <i>many aids.<br>
</i></p>
<p>Speaking of <b>boQwI',</b> did you know the word <b>boQ</b>
also means <i>aide,</i> as in a person who assists? You can just
call them <b>boQ</b> <i>aide, aides.<br>
</i></p>
<p>In that second sentence, I'd probably say <b>vuSbe'lu'</b>
instead of <b>vuSHa'lu'.</b> The latter is the undoing or
misdoing of limits rather than the former's simple not limiting.<br>
</p>
<p>With <b>Hoch SImqa',</b> while the lack of a <b>lu- </b>prefix
makes it impossible for the subject to be <i>they</i> (the
assistants), I had to think carefully to figure out what the
subject and object were here. You might want to make them explicit
(redundant subjects or objects are never wrong in Klingon when
they aid understanding): <b>Hoch SImqa' poSayDon.<br>
</b></p>
<p>The use of <b>neH</b> in the last sentence is not necessarily
correct. You want it to apply to the <b>loQ</b> (to mean <i>only
a little</i>), but TKD only lets it apply to nouns (<i>only</i>)
or verbs (<i>merely</i>). You might recast the sentence like this:
<b>vaj ghaHvaD ram boQchaj</b><i> thus their aid was trivial to
him.</i> This might be confusing, because <b>boQ</b> ALSO means
<i>assistance,</i> so an alternative could be: <b>vaj ghaHvaD ram
QaHchaj</b><i> so their help was trivial to him.<br>
</i></p>
<p>***<i><br>
</i></p>
<p>lutvam vISovbe'; bImugh vaj 'e' vItIvbej.<br>
</p>
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