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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] mutpu' or mutmey ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alan Anderson)
Fri Dec 30 03:18:44 2016
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From: Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net>
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:08:54 -0500
To: Klingon language email discussion forum <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>,
Anthony Appleyard <a.appleyard@btinternet.com>
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]On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Anthony Appleyard <
a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
> How does this query apply to birds such as parrots, which repeat speech
> but do not know what it means? Or to animals that have a complicated
> repertoire of noises which can convey various meanings?
See Marc Okrand's comments in HolQeD 10:4, {matlh jupna' mu'mey}, regarding
birds:
> The plural suffix for birds is usually {-mey}, the general plural suffix,
> as would be expected. There is a difference of opinion, however, about
> which plural suffix to use for a few birds capable of mimicking speech,
> such as the {vIlInHoD} and the {qaryoq} (and the larger {qaryoq'a'}), with
> some Klingons using {-mey} but others preferring{-pu'}, the plural suffix
> for beings capable of using language. Maltz is a member of the former camp;
> he said he was never able to engage a{qaryoq} in a conversation that made
> any sense.
I would treat possessive suffixes similarly.
-- ghunchu'wI'
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">]On =
Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 1:17 AM, Anthony Appleyard <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com" target=3D"_blank">a.appleyard@btin=
ternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">How does this query apply to birds such as parrots, which repeat=
speech but do not know what it means? Or to animals that have a complicate=
d repertoire of noises which can convey various meanings?</blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>See Marc Okrand's comments in HolQeD 10:4, {matlh jupna&=
#39; mu'mey}, regarding birds:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" s=
tyle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pad=
ding-left:1ex">The plural suffix for birds is usually {-mey}, the general p=
lural suffix, as would be expected. There is a difference of opinion, howev=
er, about which plural suffix to use for a few birds capable of mimicking s=
peech, such as the {vIlInHoD} and the {qaryoq} (and the larger {qaryoq'=
a'}), with some Klingons using {-mey} but others preferring{-pu'}, =
the plural suffix for beings capable of using language. Maltz is a member o=
f the former camp; he said he was never able to engage a{qaryoq} in a conve=
rsation that made any sense.</blockquote><div><br>I would treat possessive =
suffixes similarly.</div><div><br></div><div>-- ghunchu'wI'=C2=A0</=
div></div></div></div>
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