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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: De' QulwI'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Thu Dec 29 14:49:10 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:49:06 +0200
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{paq nojwI' tum} is public library. but how could we specify/describe a
private library ?
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 29 Dec 2016 9:17 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Okrand made a point of distinguishing the actual building a few times at
> qepHom 2016:
>
>
>
> landmark Daq noy (not a building)
>
> landmark qach noy (building)
>
>
>
> monument, memorial van Hew (sculpture)
>
> monument, memorial van qach (building)
>
>
>
> postal service QIn tum
>
> post office (building) QIn tum qach
>
>
>
> planetarium logh chal je 'angweD
>
> planetarium (building) logh chal je 'angweD qach
>
>
>
> =E2=80=A6 and from elsewhere we know of:
>
>
>
> tower chalqach
>
> house juH qach
>
> hospital ropyaH qach
>
>
> theater (i.e. building) much qach
>
>
>
>
> --Voragh
>
>
>
> P.S. {'angweD} =E2=80=9Cmuseum=E2=80=9D (n)
>
>
>
>
>
> *On Behalf Of *Terrence Donnelly
>
> Speaking as a librarian, I was thrilled to see that these terms exist; I
> missed them initially, somehow.
>
>
>
> To me, the {paq nojwI' qach} is the literal building housing the books an=
d
> the staff, while the {tum} refers to the entity more abstractly. If you
> said, "I'll check the Library and see if they have that" and you used you=
r
> phone app or the on-line catalog, it would be the {tum} you are accessing=
,
> but not the {qach}. If you are talking about visiting the library, I don'=
t
> see much difference. I also don't see how {tum} implies "public", but
> that's how it's glossed, so be it.
>
>
>
> BTW, I would qualify {De' QulwI'} as not just "librarian", but
> specifically "research librarian". In fact, as the term stands, it could
> refer to anyone in the data analysis or research field. {paq nojwI'} is
> much more appropriate for what I do all day.
>
>
>
> ter'eS
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* "Michael Roney, Jr." <nahqun@gmail.com>
>
> On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
> > Also from qepHom 2016:
> >
> > paq nojwI' qach library (building) (n)
> > paq nojwI' tum library (public) (n)
> >
>
> Do we know what the difference between libraries is?
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">{paq nojwI' tum} is public library. but how could we =
specify/describe a private library ?<div dir=3D"auto"><br><div data-smartma=
il=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj HablI'=
;vo' vIngeHta'<br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 29 Dec 2016 9:17 pm, "Steven Boozer"=
; <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> =
wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">Okrand made a point of distinguishing t=
he actual building a few times at qepHom 2016:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">landmark =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
<wbr>=C2=A0 Daq noy (not a building)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">landmark =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
<wbr>=C2=A0 qach noy (building)
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">monument, memorial =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 van Hew (sculpture)<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">monument, memorial =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 van qach (building)<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">postal service =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 QIn tum<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">post office (building) =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 QIn tum qac=
h<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">planetarium =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 logh chal je &=
#39;angweD=C2=A0=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">planetarium (building)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 logh chal je '=
;angweD qach<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">=E2=80=A6 and from elsewhere we know of=
:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">tower=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wbr>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 chalqach =C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wbr>=C2=A0=C2=A0
<br>
house =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wbr>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 juH qach =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wbr>=C2=A0=C2=A0
<br>
hospital =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<wbr>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ropyaH=
qach =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">theater (i.e. building)=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 much =
qach =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">--Voragh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">P.S. {'angweD} =C2=A0=E2=80=9Cmuseu=
m=E2=80=9D (n)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif">Terrence Donnelly<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Speaking a=
s a librarian, I was thrilled to see that these terms exist; I missed them =
initially, somehow.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">To me, the=
{paq nojwI' qach} is the literal building housing the books and the st=
aff, while the {tum} refers to the entity more abstractly.
If you said, "I'll check the Library and see if they have that&qu=
ot; and you used your phone app or the on-line catalog, it would be the {tu=
m} you are accessing, but not the {qach}. If you are talking about visiting=
the library, I don't see much difference. I also
don't see how {tum} implies "public", but that's how it&=
#39;s glossed, so be it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">BTW, I wou=
ld qualify {De' QulwI'} as not just "librarian", but spec=
ifically "research librarian". In fact, as the term stands, it co=
uld
refer to anyone in the data analysis or research field. {paq nojwI'} i=
s much more appropriate for what I do all day.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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ze:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span=
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if;color:black"> "Michael Roney, Jr." <</span><a href=3D"mailt=
o:nahqun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Arial",sans-serif">nahqun@gmail.com</span></a><span style=
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tyle=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">On Thu, D=
ec 29, 2016 at 9:30 AM, Steven Boozer <</span><a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@=
uchicago.edu" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif">sboozer@uchicago.edu</span></a><span style=3D"font-family=
:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">>
wrote:<br>
> Also from qepHom 2016:<br>
><br>
> =C2=A0 paq nojwI' qach =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 library (buildi=
ng) (n)<br>
> =C2=A0 paq nojwI' tum =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 library (public) (n)<br>
><br>
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Do we know what the difference between libraries is?<br>
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