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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] to qaStaHvIS or not to qaStaHvIS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Thu Dec 29 11:45:04 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 18:44:59 +0200
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ok, thanks !
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 29 Dec 2016 5:51 pm, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 29 December 2016 at 09:15, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ghunchu'wI:
> >> SuStel has already given exactly the reasonable arguments I would use.
> I don't know how to improve on them.
> >
> > maj. there you go ! I am an idiot, who is unable to understand the
> obvious.
> >
> > however, this is truly strange; through the 14 months I have been on
> > this list, we have discussed countless things; and always we came to a
> > conclusion.
> >
> > Unfortunately, at this thread, on this occasion, what has been said so
> > far fails to explain why the {Soch DIS vorgh jIQuch} is ungrammatical.
>
> The explanation seems fairly clear to me. What grammatical role does
> {Soch DIS vorgh} play in that sentence? It's either missing a verb
> ({qaStaHvIS}) that relates it to the rest of the sentence, or it's
> missing a noun which would turn it into a time stamp ({poH}).
>
> > The only reasonable explanation is, if someone wrote "because maltz
> > said so". Instead, there is no "maltz said so", but a countless list
> > of arguments which leads to nowhere.
>
> No, I don't think a ruling from Maltz is necessary here. Nothing in
> the known grammar of Klingon allows you to stick a period of time like
> {Soch DIS vorgh} in front of a sentence like you want.
>
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> De'vID
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<div dir=3D"auto">ok, thanks !<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signatur=
e">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'<br></div><=
/div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 29 Dec 20=
16 5:51 pm, "De'vID" <<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmai=
l.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">On 29 December 2016 at 09:15, mayqel qunenoS <=
<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> ghunchu'wI:<br>
>> SuStel has already given exactly the reasonable arguments I would =
use. I don't know how to improve on them.<br>
><br>
> maj. there you go ! I am an idiot, who is unable to understand the obv=
ious.<br>
><br>
> however, this is truly strange; through the 14 months I have been on<b=
r>
> this list, we have discussed countless things; and always we came to a=
<br>
> conclusion.<br>
><br>
> Unfortunately, at this thread, on this occasion, what has been said so=
<br>
> far fails to explain why the {Soch DIS vorgh jIQuch} is ungrammatical.=
<br>
<br>
The explanation seems fairly clear to me. What grammatical role does<br>
{Soch DIS vorgh} play in that sentence? It's either missing a verb<br>
({qaStaHvIS}) that relates it to the rest of the sentence, or it's<br>
missing a noun which would turn it into a time stamp ({poH}).<br>
<br>
> The only reasonable explanation is, if someone wrote "because mal=
tz<br>
> said so". Instead, there is no "maltz said so", but a c=
ountless list<br>
> of arguments which leads to nowhere.<br>
<br>
No, I don't think a ruling from Maltz is necessary here. Nothing in<br>
the known grammar of Klingon allows you to stick a period of time like<br>
{Soch DIS vorgh} in front of a sentence like you want.<br>
<br>
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De'vID<br>
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