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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] The mouth of Sauron
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?Q?Aur=C3=A9lie_Demonchaux?)
Tue Dec 20 17:44:11 2016
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> De'vID:
> > romuluSngan HoH'eghmoHlaH'a' tlhIngan?
> I can't understand this.. "the klingon is able to make himself kill the
> romulan" ?
> Is this canon ?
The way I understand it is: "Can the Klingon make the Romulan kill himself?"
I think the problem is that we are not just in a structure of "X makes Y do
something", we've added " 'egh" in the mix.
So the Romulan is now both Subject and Object of its own action "HoH",
whereas "-moHlaH" refers to the Klingon's action.
In fact, within the verb construct, some parts refer to the Romulan's
action (The Romulan as the subject of <HoH'egh>) and the last suffixes
refer to the Klingon's action on the Romulan (<-moHlaH'a'>)
At least that's how I interpret it.
I'm not sure I'm being very coherent or clear tonight.
Hopefully a more expert Klingonist can shed some more light on this :)
~mughwI'
2016-12-20 19:52 GMT+01:00 mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>:
> De'vID:
> > romuluSngan HoH'eghmoHlaH'a' tlhIngan?
>
> I can't understand this.. "the klingon is able to make himself kill the
> romulan" ?
>
> Is this canon ?
>
> qunnoH jan puqloD
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 20 Dec 2016 8:26 pm, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 20, 2016 17:23, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> mu'tlhegh ghom Damughta'bogh vIparHa'qu' !
>>
>> but I need to ask you.. you wrote {mopDaj tuQHa''eghmoH}. I understand
>> this to mean "he took off (undressed) his robe".
>>
>> however, when a word carries the {-'egh}, isn't that word incapable of
>> having an object ?
>>
>>
>>
>> romuluSngan HoH'eghmoHlaH'a' tlhIngan?
>>
>> --
>> De'vID
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,he=
lvetica,sans-serif"><blockquote style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-le=
ft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">De=
9;vID:<br><span class=3D"gmail-im">> romuluSngan HoH'eghmoHlaH'a=
' tlhIngan?<br></span>I can't understand this.. "the klingon i=
s able to make himself kill the romulan" ?<br>Is this canon ?</blockqu=
ote><div><br></div><div>The way I understand it is: "Can the Klingon m=
ake the Romulan kill himself?"</div><div><br></div><div>I think the pr=
oblem is that we are not just in a structure of "X makes Y do somethin=
g", we've added " 'egh" in the mix.</div><div><br></=
div><div>So the Romulan is now both Subject and Object of its own action &q=
uot;HoH", whereas "-moHlaH" refers to the Klingon's acti=
on.</div><div><br></div><div>In fact, within the verb construct, some parts=
refer to the Romulan's action (The Romulan as the subject of <HoH&#=
39;egh>) and the last suffixes refer to the Klingon's action on the =
Romulan (<-moHlaH'a'>)</div><div><br></div><div>At least that=
's how I interpret it.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm not sure I'=
m being very coherent or clear tonight.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Hope=
fully a more expert Klingonist can shed some more light on this :)</div><di=
v><br></div><div><br></div><div>~mughwI'</div><div><br></div></div></di=
v><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2016-12-20 19:5=
2 GMT+01:00 mayqel qunenoS <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">De'vID:<span class=3D""><br>
> romuluSngan HoH'eghmoHlaH'a' tlhIngan?</span></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I can't understand this.. "the klingon is able to m=
ake himself kill the romulan" ?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Is this canon ?</p><span class=3D"">
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
</span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div =
class=3D"h5">On 20 Dec 2016 8:26 pm, "De'vID" <<a href=3D"=
mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</=
a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"auto"><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail=
_signature" dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto">=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Dec 20, 2016 17:23, "mayqel qunenoS&=
quot; <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gm=
ail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"m_64423=
94934764416253m_262328060718639158quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-=
left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">mu'tlhegh ghom Damughta'bogh =
vIparHa'qu' !<br>
<br>
but I need to ask you.. you wrote {mopDaj tuQHa''eghmoH}. I underst=
and<br>
this to mean "he took off (undressed) his robe".<br>
<br>
however, when a word carries the {-'egh}, isn't that word incapable=
of<br>
having an object ?<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>=
<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">romuluSngan HoH'eghmoHlaH=
'a' tlhIngan?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">--=
=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">De'vID</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquo=
te class=3D"m_6442394934764416253m_262328060718639158quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br></blockquote><=
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