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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] paq'batlh mu'tlhegh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Sun Dec 18 19:09:06 2016
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Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 23:51:20 +0100
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On Dec 17, 2016 09:24, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
De'vID:
> {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun.
I can't understand how this could be correct as a {-bogh}ed noun.
I know we can say {paq qanobta'bogh} for "the book which I gave you". but
here the {paq} is the object of {nob}.
On the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is the {naDev} an object ? and if yes, the object
of what verb ? the object of {jIH} ? I can understand the {jIH} taking an
object in the context of {SuvwI' jIH}. but then, the {naDev jIHtaH} would
mean "I am here" not in the sense "I am present here", but in the sense "I
am the here".
The SkyBox {Qo'noS} card has the following sentence:
{pa=E2=80=99 =E2=80=99oH=C2=ADtaH vaS=C2=AD=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 =E2=80=99e=
=E2=80=99.}
"This is where the Klingon Great Hall is located"
That no more means "the Great Hall is 'the there'" than {naDev jIHtaH}
means "I am 'the here'."
The suffix {-taH} indicates an ongoing activity, and "being at a location"
is apparently considered a type of ongoing activity.
See also KGT p.25:
{tera'ngan ghaH qama''e'} "The prisoner is a Terran"
{bIghHa'Daq ghaHtaH qama''e'} "The prisoner is in the prison"
Even though that sentence has a {-Daq}ed noun, the structure is essentially
the same. {bIghHa'Daq ghaHtaH} means "he/she is in prison", and {naDev
ghaHtaH} means "he/she is here".
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">On Dec 17, 2016 09:24, "mayqel qunenoS" <<a href=3D"mailto:m=
ihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution">=
<blockquote class=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">De'vID:</p><div class=3D"quoted=
-text">
> {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun.</div><p></p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I can't understand how this could be correct as a {-bogh=
}ed noun.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I know we can say {paq qanobta'bogh} for "the book =
which I gave you". but here the {paq} is the object of {nob}.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">On the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is the {naDev} an object ? and if =
yes, the object of what verb ? the object of {jIH} ? I can understand the {=
jIH} taking an object in the context of {SuvwI' jIH}. but then, the {na=
Dev jIHtaH} would mean "I am here" not in the sense "I am pr=
esent here", but in the sense "I am the here".</p></blockquo=
te></div></div><div dir=3D"auto">The SkyBox {Qo'noS} card has the follo=
wing sentence:=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto">{<font color=3D"#222222" face=
=3D"georgia, serif"><span style=3D"font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,=
255,255)">pa=E2=80=99 =E2=80=99oH=C2=ADtaH vaS=C2=AD=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 =E2=
=80=99e=E2=80=99.}</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><font color=3D"#222=
222" face=3D"georgia, serif"><span style=3D"font-size:16px;background-color=
:rgb(255,255,255)">"</span><span style=3D"font-size:16px;text-indent:2=
4px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">This is where the Klingon Great Hall=
is located"</span></font></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">That no more means "the Great Hall is 'the there'&qu=
ot; than {naDev jIHtaH} means "I am 'the here'."</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">The suffix {-taH} indicates an o=
ngoing activity, and "being at a location" is apparently consider=
ed a type of ongoing activity.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto">See also KGT p.25:</div><div dir=3D"auto">{tera'ngan ghaH =
qama''e'} "The prisoner is a Terran"</div><div dir=3D=
"auto">{bIghHa'Daq ghaHtaH qama''e'} "The prisoner is =
in the prison"</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Even=
though that sentence has a {-Daq}ed noun, the structure is essentially the=
same. {bIghHa'Daq ghaHtaH} means "he/she is in prison", and =
{naDev ghaHtaH} means "he/she is here".</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">--=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:sans-serif">De'vID</span><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
dir=3D"auto"></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" =
dir=3D"auto"></div></div>
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