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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] paq'batlh mu'tlhegh
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Sat Dec 17 03:24:45 2016
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From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 10:24:40 +0200
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De'vID:
> {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun.
I can't understand how this could be correct as a {-bogh}ed noun.
I know we can say {paq qanobta'bogh} for "the book which I gave you". but
here the {paq} is the object of {nob}.
On the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is the {naDev} an object ? and if yes, the object
of what verb ? the object of {jIH} ? I can understand the {jIH} taking an
object in the context of {SuvwI' jIH}. but then, the {naDev jIHtaH} would
mean "I am here" not in the sense "I am present here", but in the sense "I
am the here".
Could you explain what's happening ? Obviously there is something important
I am missing here..
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 17 Dec 2016 10:13 am, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17 December 2016 at 07:01, Brian Cote
> <wearetheinformation00@gmail.com> wrote:
> > povvam <paq'batlh>Daq mu'tlheghvam 'IH vItu':
> >
> > "DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."
> > /Now I will tell you why I am here./
> >
> > toH, jaj naQ vIqeltaH, 'ej DaH jIghel vIneH.
> >
> > 'ach wa'DIch vIQIj:
> >
> > "jIHtaH meq" 'oHbe'chu' mu'tlhegh lugh, 'ej "naDev jIHtaH" 'oHbej
> mu'tlhegh
> > lugh, 'ach "naDev jIHtaHbogh" 'oHlaH'a' /adverb/ lugh? lughnIS, qar'a'?
>
> You're parsing this sentence incorrectly.
>
> {naDev} is a noun. {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun. {naDev jIHtaHbogh
> meq} is a noun-noun construction.
>
> Also, think about what it would mean if {naDev} were an adverbial
> instead of a noun. The sentence would mean *"Now, here (in this
> present location), I will tell you my reason for being."
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">De'vID:<br>
> {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I can't understand how this could be correct as a {-bogh=
}ed noun.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I know we can say {paq qanobta'bogh} for "the book =
which I gave you". but here the {paq} is the object of {nob}.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">On the {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is the {naDev} an object ? and if =
yes, the object of what verb ? the object of {jIH} ? I can understand the {=
jIH} taking an object in the context of {SuvwI' jIH}. but then, the {na=
Dev jIHtaH} would mean "I am here" not in the sense "I am pr=
esent here", but in the sense "I am the here".</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Could you explain what's happening ? Obviously there is =
something important I am missing here..</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 17 Dec 2016 10=
:13 am, "De'vID" <<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.co=
m">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">On 17 December 2016 at 07:01, Brian Cote<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:wearetheinformation00@gmail.com">wearetheinformation0=
0@gmail.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<br>
> povvam <paq'batlh>Daq mu'tlheghvam 'IH vItu':<br=
>
><br>
> "DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'."<br>
> /Now I will tell you why I am here./<br>
><br>
> toH, jaj naQ vIqeltaH, 'ej DaH jIghel vIneH.<br>
><br>
> 'ach wa'DIch vIQIj:<br>
><br>
> "jIHtaH meq" 'oHbe'chu' mu'tlhegh lugh, '=
;ej "naDev jIHtaH" 'oHbej mu'tlhegh<br>
> lugh, 'ach "naDev jIHtaHbogh" 'oHlaH'a' /adv=
erb/ lugh? lughnIS, qar'a'?<br>
<br>
You're parsing this sentence incorrectly.<br>
<br>
{naDev} is a noun. {naDev jIHtaHbogh} is a noun. {naDev jIHtaHbogh<br>
meq} is a noun-noun construction.<br>
<br>
Also, think about what it would mean if {naDev} were an adverbial<br>
instead of a noun. The sentence would mean *"Now, here (in this<br>
present location), I will tell you my reason for being."<br>
<br>
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De'vID<br>
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