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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Who shall call them from the twilight ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Wed Dec 14 10:28:39 2016
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:23:03 -0500
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On 12/14/2016 8:35 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> SuStel:
> > chay' Mordor HIv bot puSqu'wI'?»
>
> the {puSqu'wI'} means "very few people" ?
>
Yes. It could mean very few of anything, but the intended implication,
which you took, is people.
> and something must be happening with {HIv} and {bot}. "how very few
> people will prevent attack mordor" ?
>
Hmm. It seems that *HIv* as a noun doesn't appear in the new words list.
It should: in /Star Trek V,/ Captain Klaa says *HIv He yIchoHmoH*, which
is subtitled /Alter the attack course!/
> SuStel:
> > 'Ip lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh.
>
> I can't translate this; all I get is "the member(s) of the house of
> the receiver(s) who swore the oath". Or "the oath which was sworn by
> the member(s) of the house of the receiver(s).
>
An attempt to avoid this "ship in which I fled" problem, in this case
"the heir of him to whom the oath they swore." The best I could come up
with was "house member of the receiver of the oath which they swore." I
should have put a *-pu'* on *lay'.* If you can think of a more obvious
translation, let me know. I claim the excuse of translating while at work.
> SuStel:
> > Sauron luquvmoHmo' qaStaHvIS DISmey
> > lunaDHa'lu'bogh
>
> this confuses me too.. "because they honored Sauron while the years
> which someone discommended them were happening" ?
>
I didn't want to translate /Dark Years/ literally, as there was plenty
of sunlight at the time. The Dark Years
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Years> were the period of the Second
Age wherein lesser men worshiped Sauron and he held dominion over most
of Middle-earth, before the coming of the Númenóreans in Exile. These
were also called the Accursed Years, and I looked in a thesaurus for
inspiration on how to translate this. I noticed /condemned/ and
/bedeviled,/ and somehow that led me to *naDHa'.* I can't defend this. I
probably could have gone with something bland, like *DIS lumuSlu'bogh*
or, even worse, *DIS mIgh.*
Anyway, by that time I had to go to the bathroom and it was nearly time
to go home. I was rushing.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/14/2016 8:35 AM, mayqel qunenoS
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAP7F2cKubjMe76oY56En2=h16jQeyVozZstFazvLJzJUSOx_=Q@mail.gmail.com"
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<p dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>
> chay' Mordor HIv bot puSqu'wI'?»</p>
<p dir="ltr">the {puSqu'wI'} means "very few people" ?</p>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Yes. It could mean very few of anything, but the intended
implication, which you took, is people.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAP7F2cKubjMe76oY56En2=h16jQeyVozZstFazvLJzJUSOx_=Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr"> and something must be happening with {HIv} and
{bot}. "how very few people will prevent attack mordor" ?</p>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>Hmm. It seems that <b>HIv</b> as a noun doesn't appear in the
new words list. It should: in <i>Star Trek V,</i> Captain Klaa
says <b>HIv He yIchoHmoH</b>, which is subtitled <i>Alter the
attack course!</i><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAP7F2cKubjMe76oY56En2=h16jQeyVozZstFazvLJzJUSOx_=Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>
> 'Ip lulay'bogh HevwI' tuqnIgh.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I can't translate this; all I get is "the member(s)
of the house of the receiver(s) who swore the oath". Or "the
oath which was sworn by the member(s) of the house of the
receiver(s).</p>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>An attempt to avoid this "ship in which I fled" problem, in this
case "the heir of him to whom the oath they swore." The best I
could come up with was "house member of the receiver of the oath
which they swore." I should have put a <b>-pu'</b> on <b>lay'.</b>
If you can think of a more obvious translation, let me know. I
claim the excuse of translating while at work.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAP7F2cKubjMe76oY56En2=h16jQeyVozZstFazvLJzJUSOx_=Q@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p dir="ltr">SuStel:<br>
> Sauron luquvmoHmo' qaStaHvIS DISmey<br>
> lunaDHa'lu'bogh</p>
<p dir="ltr">this confuses me too.. "because they honored Sauron
while the years which someone discommended them were happening"
?</p>
</blockquote>
<br>
<p>I didn't want to translate <i>Dark Years</i> literally, as there
was plenty of sunlight at the time. The <a
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Years">Dark Years</a>
were the period of the Second Age wherein lesser men worshiped
Sauron and he held dominion over most of Middle-earth, before the
coming of the Númenóreans in Exile. These were also called the
Accursed Years, and I looked in a thesaurus for inspiration on how
to translate this. I noticed <i>condemned</i> and <i>bedeviled,</i>
and somehow that led me to <b>naDHa'.</b> I can't defend this. I
probably could have gone with something bland, like <b>DIS
lumuSlu'bogh</b> or, even worse, <b>DIS mIgh.</b></p>
<p>Anyway, by that time I had to go to the bathroom and it was
nearly time to go home. I was rushing.<br>
</p>
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SuStel
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