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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Adjective suffixes
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Tue Dec 13 10:05:40 2016
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From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:05:36 +0000
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I think SuStel is right, although I could find only one example:
'ejyo' luch rurbe'qu' tlhIngan Duj luch.
Klingon starship design is vastly different from
Starfleet technology. SP3
--Voragh
On Behalf Of SuStel
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:33 AM
On 12/13/2016 3:46 AM, Andr=E9 M=FCller wrote:
Somewhere (TKD I suppose) it's written that the only suffixes following a v=
erb used as an adjective can be the negation suffixes {-be', -Ha'} and the =
intensifier {-qu'}. I think it's logical that both can occur together. So I=
have no doubts that you can say {Duj tInqu'be'} with the intended meaning.
But other suffixes are excluded, do the answer to question 2 is no. It is e=
asily understood, but ungrammatical.
TKD only describes using -qu' in this way. Further canonical examples have =
shown us -be' and -Ha'. None has ever shown us multiple suffixes, though I =
would have no problem accepting Duj tInqu'be' for not very big ship.
Although we have never seen any other verb suffixes, I would not at all be =
surprised to discover that type 6 verb suffixes are allowed, as in mayqel's=
*Duj tInba' obviously big ship or *Duj Dojbej certainly impressive ship or=
*Duj HoSghajchu' all-powerful ship or *Duj pujlaw' apparently weak ship. B=
ut until such time as Okrand does this, these suffixes are off-limits.
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SuStel
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">I think SuStel i=
s right, although I could find only one example:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> 'ejyo'=
luch rurbe'qu' tlhIngan Duj luch.
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> Klin=
gon starship design is vastly different from<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"> Star=
fleet technology. SP3</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">--Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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sans-serif;color:windowtext">SuStel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:33 AM<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 12/13/2016 3:46 AM, Andr=E9 M=FCller wrote:<o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Somewhere (TKD I suppose) it's written that the only=
suffixes following a verb used as an adjective can be the negation suffixe=
s {-be', -Ha'} and the intensifier {-qu'}. I think it's logical that both c=
an occur together. So I have no doubts
that you can say {Duj tInqu'be'} with the intended meaning. <o:p></o:p></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">But other suffixes are excluded, do the answer to qu=
estion 2 is no. It is easily understood, but ungrammatical.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p><i>TKD</i> only describes using <b>-qu'</b> in this way. Further canonic=
al examples have shown us
<b>-be'</b> and <b>-Ha'.</b> None has ever shown us multiple suffixes, thou=
gh I would have no problem accepting
<b>Duj tInqu'be'</b> for <i>not very big ship.</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Although we have never seen any other verb suffixes, I would not at all =
be surprised to discover that type 6 verb suffixes are allowed, as in mayqe=
l's
<b>*Duj tInba'</b><i> obviously big ship</i> or <b>*Duj Dojbej</b><i> certa=
inly impressive ship</i> or
<b>*Duj HoSghajchu'</b><i> all-powerful ship</i> or <b>*Duj pujlaw'</b><i> =
apparently weak ship.</i> But until such time as Okrand does this, these su=
ffixes are off-limits.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>SuStel<o:p></o:p></pre>
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