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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing "god damn"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mayqel qunenoS)
Fri Dec 9 12:20:28 2016
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Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 19:20:24 +0200
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I didn't know these info with regards to the {'Igh} ! I thought it
literally meant "to be cursed".
thanks for telling me.
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 9 Dec 2016 7:11 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
*{'Igh}* be cursed, be jinxed (*slang*) (v)
(KGT 167): This is a slang term with no known origin. It can be applied to
just about anything--persons, missions, ships, and so on--when everything
seems to be going wrong. Since Klingons consider self-control a great
virtue, declaring oneself to be cursed is comparable to an admission of
weakness and utterly uncharacteristic (though not unknown). To say that
someone else is cursed, on the other hand, is to attribute weakness to that
person. Accordingly, {*bI'Igh} *(=E2=80=9C*You are cursed, you are jinxed=
=E2=80=9D*) is
quite insulting. In standard Klingon, the same idea may be expressed by
saying {*Do'Ha'moHlu'} *(=E2=80=9C*be made unlucky=E2=80=9D* or =E2=80=9C*s=
omeone/something causes *
[*someone/something*] *to be unlucky=E2=80=9D*), as in {*DaDo'Ha'moHlu'} *(=
=E2=80=9C*You've
been made unlucky=E2=80=9D*, or =E2=80=9C*someone/something causes you to b=
e unlucky*)=E2=80=9D.
*{jay'} *intensely (adv)
(TKD 177): This word not only intensifies whatever is being said, it turns
the whole phrase into an invective. Alone among the adverbials, {*jay'}*
always comes at the end of the sentence.
* qaStaH nuq jay'*
What the #$%@ is happening? TKD
*mIch 'elpu' jay'*
They've entered the @#$% sector! TKD
*SoH 'Iv jay'*
[*Who the *@#$% * are you*? (untranslated)] ST6
*qaStaH nuq jay'*
[*What the *@#$%* is happening*? (untranslated)] ST6
*ghaytanHa' jay'*
Not bloody likely! RT
*tuHbe' tlhInganvam jay' *
Curse this Klingon, who has no shame! PB
mayqel qunenoS:
> I meant "your mother cooked this god damn food".
Note the second TKD example which *is an exact parallel to your sentence.*
*--Voragh*
*On Behalf Of *nIqolay Q
*Sent:* Friday, December 09, 2016 10:52 AM
{Sojvam vutta' SoSlI' jay'} should suffice to get most of the meaning
across. I'm not sure that {'Igh} quite works here. The description in KGT
suggests it means something like "doesn't work right, prone to failure,
unlucky" and not simply just bad in general.
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<p dir=3D"ltr">I didn't know these info with regards to the {'Igh} =
! I thought it literally meant "to be cursed".<br>
thanks for telling me.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 9 Dec 2016 7:1=
1 pm, "Steven Boozer" <<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu"=
>sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div class=3D"m_5172671666339436172WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">{'Igh}</s=
pan></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 be cursed,=C2=A0 be jinx=
ed (<i>slang</i>) (v)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">(KGT 167):</span=
><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 This</span><span style=3D"font-=
family:Courier"> is a slang term with no known origin. It can be applied to=
just about anything--persons, missions, ships,
and so on--when everything seems to be going wrong. Since Klingons conside=
r self-control a great virtue, declaring oneself to be cursed is comparable=
to an admission of weakness and utterly uncharacteristic (though not unkno=
wn). To say that someone else is
cursed, on the other hand, is to attribute weakness to that person. Accord=
ingly, {<b>bI'Igh}
</b>(=E2=80=9C<i>You are cursed, you are jinxed=E2=80=9D</i>) is quite insu=
lting. In standard Klingon, the same idea may be expressed by saying {<b>Do=
'Ha'moHlu'}
</b>(=E2=80=9C<i>be made unlucky=E2=80=9D</i> or =E2=80=9C<i>someone/someth=
ing causes </i>[<i>someone/something</i>]
<i>to be unlucky=E2=80=9D</i>), as in {<b>DaDo'Ha'moHlu'} </b>(=
=E2=80=9C<i>You've been made unlucky=E2=80=9D</i>, or =E2=80=9C<i>someo=
ne/something causes you to be unlucky</i>)=E2=80=9D.
<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#44546a"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">{jay'}=C2=
=A0 </span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">intensely (adv)<u></u><u=
></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">(TKD 177):=C2=A0=
This word not only intensifies whatever is being said, it turns the whole =
phrase into an invective. Alone among the adverbials, {<b>jay'}</b> alw=
ays comes at the end of the sentence.<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 qaStaH=
nuq jay'</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0What=
the #$%@ is happening? TKD<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0<b>mIch &#=
39;elpu' jay'</b> <u></u>
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0They=
've entered the @#$% sector! TKD<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0<b>SoH =
9;Iv jay'</b> <u></u>
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0[<i>=
Who the </i>@#$% <i>
are you</i>? (untranslated)] ST6<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 <b>qaStaH=
nuq jay'</b> <u></u>
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0[<i>=
What the </i>@#$%<i> is happening</i>? (untranslated)] ST6<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0<b>ghaytan=
Ha' jay'<u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 </span=
></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Not bloody likely! RT<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0<b><span s=
tyle=3D"color:#c00000">tuHbe' tlhInganvam jay'</span>
<u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0<=
/span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Curse this Klingon, who has n=
o shame! PB<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#44546a"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_5172671666339436172MsoPlainText">mayqel qunenoS:<u></u><u></u=
></p><div class=3D"quoted-text">
<p class=3D"m_5172671666339436172MsoPlainText">> I meant "your moth=
er cooked this god damn food".<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_5172671666339436172MsoPlainText"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Arial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">Note the second TKD example which
</span><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">is an exact parallel to your =
sentence.<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">--Voragh<u></=
u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:4.8pt"><b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Behalf Of
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif">nIqolay Q<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 09, 2016 10:52 AM<br>
<br>
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div><div class=3D"quoted-text">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">{Sojvam vutta' SoSlI' jay'} should suffi=
ce to get most of the meaning across. I'm not sure that {'Igh} quit=
e works here. The description in KGT suggests it means something like "=
;doesn't work right, prone to failure, unlucky" and not simply
just bad in general.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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