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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing "god damn"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Felix Malmenbeck)
Fri Dec 9 08:47:41 2016
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I'm rather sleep-deprived, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow before parti=
cipating in the large debate which I'm sure this will elicit, but:
I wouldn't use {jay'} when making a compliment. {jay'} is invective, not ju=
st emphatic. You're basically saying "Your mother bakes jinxed food, and th=
is fills me with contempt."
When we say something is damn good, we're using a vulgar expression, but we=
're not using it invectively.
I doubt the average Klingon would find the damnation of gods particularly i=
mportant (they're all dead, anyway), so it probably wouldn't be a part of i=
diomatic speech (although you never know).
However, if you wish to explain the Terran phrase, you might want to constr=
uct a relative clause using joH'a'/Qun, and pum/qIch/QeHmoH.
//loghaD
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Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing "god damn"
So, I've been wondering for quite some time now, how to express the DIvI' H=
ol "god damn". How to convey its essence in klingon..
Of course the question is: what does "god damn" exactly mean ? does it mean=
that "god damns whatever", or the one who speaks "damns/curses god" ?
Anyway, the way I *feel* this wonderful DIvI' Hol expression, if I wanted t=
o say:
"your mother cooked this god damn food"
I would express it like this in tlhIngan Hol:
{Sojvam 'Igh vutta' SoSlI' jay'}
the only problem is that the element of "god" is missing from this sentence=
; but I believe this is indirectly being conveyed by the {'Igh}. when somet=
hing is cursed, either god has done the "cursing", or a human through "god"=
.
so, I think that by the proper combination of {'Igh} and {jay'}, we can exp=
ress in klingon this wonderful english expression.
'ej DaH, rIn QInvam 'Igh jay' ! hahaha
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
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<p>I'm rather sleep-deprived, so I'll have to wait until tomorrow before&nb=
sp;participating in the large debate which I'm sure this will elicit, but:<=
br>
<br>
I wouldn't use {jay'} when making a compliment. {jay'} is invective, not ju=
st emphatic. You're basically saying "Your mother bakes jinxed fo=
od, and this fills me with contempt."</p>
<p>When we say something is damn good, we're using a vulgar expression, but=
we're not using it invectively.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I doubt the average Klingon would find the damnation of gods particularl=
y important (they're all dead, anyway), so it probably wouldn't be a part o=
f idiomatic speech (although you never know).</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>However, if you wish to explain the Terran phrase, you might want to con=
struct a relative clause using joH'a'/Qun, and pum/qIch/QeHmoH.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>//loghaD<br>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">So, I've been wondering for quite some time now, how to expr=
ess the DIvI' Hol "god damn". How to convey its essence in klingo=
n..</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Of course the question is: what does "god damn" ex=
actly mean ? does it mean that "god damns whatever", or the one w=
ho speaks "damns/curses god" ?</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">Anyway, the way I *feel* this wonderful DIvI' Hol expression=
, if I wanted to say:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">"your mother cooked this god damn food"</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">I would express it like this in tlhIngan Hol:</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">{Sojvam 'Igh vutta' SoSlI' jay'}</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">the only problem is that the element of "god" is m=
issing from this sentence; but I believe this is indirectly being conveyed =
by the {'Igh}. when something is cursed, either god has done the "curs=
ing", or a human through "god".</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">so, I think that by the proper combination of {'Igh} and {ja=
y'}, we can express in klingon this wonderful english expression.</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">'ej DaH, rIn QInvam 'Igh jay' ! hahaha</p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">qunnoH jan puqloD<br>
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'</p>
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