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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Aspect, etc
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Fri Dec 4 15:23:13 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 15:22:57 -0500
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reH balth vIvang. Doj laHlIj.
People can have different ideas about how this works. The critical thing =
for me is that we can understand each other as we use the language, and =
despite the apparent contrast in the group=E2=80=99s opinions voiced in =
these debates, at a root level, those who can speak the language fairly =
well can understand each other quite well, so I=E2=80=99m satisfied.
I will always try to improve both my understanding of the language and =
its use, and to improve my teaching others as they seek my help. I think =
this is generally true of all of us, and for many years now, for you.
Even if you are daft wrong about perfective (and I don=E2=80=99t think =
you are really that far off the mark), you are and have long been one of =
the best speakers of the language, as is SuStel, and less than I used to =
be, but still pretty good, me.
Differences of opinion do not require disrespect, so please do not =
misinterpret anything as disrespectful.
toH, yIjatlhtaH, jupwI=E2=80=99.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
>=20
> I clearly don't have the internalized understanding of aspect that
> others do. It is increasingly apparent that my desire to understand
> aspect based mostly on TKD's explanations isn't working as a basis for
> debate.
>=20
> It's also increasingly frustrating for me to read things like "the
> action continues, but it isn't a continuous action" and "the existence
> of an aspect marker usually means something besides what an aspect
> marker means." I can't tell where my lack of understanding is due to
> ignorance, where it's due to stubbornness, or where it's due to the
> supposed explanation having an error.
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> So I think my most promising course of action is this: I will continue
> to use aspect suffixes the way I have been using them, which I still
> think is consistent with the examples I know. I will continue not to
> challenge their use unless it's something that I can't make sense out
> of. And I will stop trying to wrap my head around the theories that
> don't limit themselves to the specific words used to describe aspect
> in TKD, because I always get more heartburn than pleasure out of this
> particular attempt to analyze Klingon.
>=20
> tIqwIj Sa'angnISbe'. DaHjaj Hol SuvwI' jIHbe'. Hol jatlhwI''e'
> vIDaqa'. jatwIj'e' Sa'ang jay'!
>=20
> -- ghunchu'wI'
>=20
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class=3D"">reH balth vIvang. Doj laHlIj.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">People can have different ideas about =
how this works. The critical thing for me is that we can understand each =
other as we use the language, and despite the apparent contrast in the =
group=E2=80=99s opinions voiced in these debates, at a root level, those =
who can speak the language fairly well can understand each other quite =
well, so I=E2=80=99m satisfied.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I will always try to improve both my =
understanding of the language and its use, and to improve my teaching =
others as they seek my help. I think this is generally true of all of =
us, and for many years now, for you.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Even if you are daft wrong about =
perfective (and I don=E2=80=99t think you are really that far off the =
mark), you are and have long been one of the best speakers of the =
language, as is SuStel, and less than I used to be, but still pretty =
good, me.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Differences of opinion do not require disrespect, so please =
do not misinterpret anything as disrespectful.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">toH, yIjatlhtaH, jupwI=E2=80=99.<br =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 4, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Alan Anderson <<a =
href=3D"mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net" class=3D"">qunchuy@alcaco.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">I =
clearly don't have the internalized understanding of aspect that<br =
class=3D"">others do. It is increasingly apparent that my desire to =
understand<br class=3D"">aspect based mostly on TKD's explanations isn't =
working as a basis for<br class=3D"">debate.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">It's also increasingly frustrating for me to read things like =
"the<br class=3D"">action continues, but it isn't a continuous action" =
and "the existence<br class=3D"">of an aspect marker usually means =
something besides what an aspect<br class=3D"">marker means." I can't =
tell where my lack of understanding is due to<br class=3D"">ignorance, =
where it's due to stubbornness, or where it's due to the<br =
class=3D"">supposed explanation having an error.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">So I think my most promising course of action is this: I will =
continue<br class=3D"">to use aspect suffixes the way I have been using =
them, which I still<br class=3D"">think is consistent with the examples =
I know. I will continue not to<br class=3D"">challenge their use unless =
it's something that I can't make sense out<br class=3D"">of. And I will =
stop trying to wrap my head around the theories that<br class=3D"">don't =
limit themselves to the specific words used to describe aspect<br =
class=3D"">in TKD, because I always get more heartburn than pleasure out =
of this<br class=3D"">particular attempt to analyze Klingon.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">tIqwIj Sa'angnISbe'. DaHjaj Hol SuvwI' jIHbe'. =
Hol jatlhwI''e'<br class=3D"">vIDaqa'. jatwIj'e' Sa'ang jay'!<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- ghunchu'wI'<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
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class=3D"">Tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br =
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