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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] {Hov} DIvI' Hol mung
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Fri Dec 4 12:35:26 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:35:10 -0500
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Okay, the word {maj} does work as a sentence. That=E2=80=99s what it =
does.
{vIlaDqa=E2=80=99} =E2=80=9CI read it again.=E2=80=9D Another fine =
sentence with {=E2=80=98ej} tying it to another single sentence=E2=80=A6 =
except=E2=80=A6
{pIq jIQaghbe=E2=80=99 jIyepqu=E2=80=99}=E2=80=A6
Okay, {pIq} tells us that you are looking to make this a statement about =
the future. It=E2=80=99s a little vague as time stamps go, but hey... =
{jIQaghbe=E2=80=99} is a complete sentence. =E2=80=9CI don=E2=80=99t =
err.=E2=80=9D Fine.
But {jIyepqu=E2=80=99} is another complete sentence. =E2=80=9CI am very =
careful.=E2=80=9D
So, what=E2=80=99s the relationship between these two final complete =
sentences?
Maybe you mean to say that your goal is to not make mistakes, and your =
statement is that you will be careful in order to not err. In that case, =
consider the verb suffix {-meH}. The purpose of your being careful is to =
not make mistakes, so {jIQaghbe'} is a good candidate for being marked =
as the purpose of {jIyepqu=E2=80=99}.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:18 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom 'ay' 5.4
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> maj.vIlaDqa' 'ej pIq jIQaghbe' jIyepqu'.
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> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:10 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>> On 12/4/2015 12:03 PM, qunnoQ HoD wrote:
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>>>> Was {neH jItu'} supposed to mean "I just noticed"?
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>>> HIja'.
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>>>> {neH} means "merely" when placed after a verb, and you can't place
>>>> it in front.
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>>> Do'Ha' 'oH 'ach chutvam vISovbe'. nuqDaq ghItlhlu' ?
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>> tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom 'ay' 5.4:
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>> {neH} 'only, merely, just'
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>> Unlike the other adverbials, it follows the verb which it modifies.
>> The semantic effect is one of trivializing the action.
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Okay, the word {maj} does work as a sentence. =
That=E2=80=99s what it does.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">{vIlaDqa=E2=80=99} =E2=80=9CI read it =
again.=E2=80=9D Another fine sentence with {=E2=80=98ej} tying it to =
another single sentence=E2=80=A6 except=E2=80=A6</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">{pIq jIQaghbe=E2=80=99 =
jIyepqu=E2=80=99}=E2=80=A6</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Okay, {pIq} tells us that you are looking to make this a =
statement about the future. It=E2=80=99s a little vague as time stamps =
go, but hey... {jIQaghbe=E2=80=99} is a complete sentence. =E2=80=9CI =
don=E2=80=99t err.=E2=80=9D Fine.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But {jIyepqu=E2=80=99} is another =
complete sentence. =E2=80=9CI am very careful.=E2=80=9D</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So, what=E2=80=99s the =
relationship between these two final complete sentences?</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Maybe you mean to say =
that your goal is to not make mistakes, and your statement is that you =
will be careful in order to not err. In that case, consider the verb =
suffix {-meH}. The purpose of your being careful is to not make =
mistakes, so {jIQaghbe'} is a good candidate for being marked as the =
purpose of {jIyepqu=E2=80=99}.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 4, 2015, at 12:18 PM, qunnoQ HoD <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom =
'ay' 5.4<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">maj.vIlaDqa' 'ej pIq =
jIQaghbe' jIyepqu'.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at =
7:10 PM, SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" =
class=3D"">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On 12/4/2015 12:03 PM, qunnoQ HoD wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Was {neH jItu'} supposed to mean "I just =
noticed"?<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">HIja'.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D"">{neH} means "merely" when placed after a verb, and you can't =
place<br class=3D"">it in front.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Do'Ha' 'oH 'ach chutvam vISovbe'. nuqDaq =
ghItlhlu' ?<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">tlhIngan Hol mu'ghom 'ay' 5.4:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> =
{neH} 'only, merely, just'<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> =
Unlike the other adverbials, it follows the verb which it =
modifies.<br class=3D""> The semantic effect is one of =
trivializing the action.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">--<br=
class=3D"">SuStel<br class=3D""><a href=3D"http://trimboli.name" =
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