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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Aspect, etc
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Thu Dec 3 13:28:55 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:28:35 -0500
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Are you suggesting that any statement without an explicit time stamp or =
perfective suffix is a generic statement about habits, and not a =
statement about a specific instance of an action that occurred at a =
specifiable time?
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Dec 3, 2015, at 12:00 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>=20
> On 12/3/2015 11:53 AM, Lieven wrote:
>> Am 03.12.2015 um 17:21 schrieb SuStel:
>>> But because TKD says "The absence of a Type 7 suffix usually means =
that
>>> the action is not completed and is not continuous," we must =
generally
>>> assume that you did NOT complete killing the targ. You did not add
>>> {-pu'}, so you did not complete the action.
>>=20
>> qama'pu' DIHoH net Sov.
>=20
> Right. Here you're not specifying an action you undertook and =
completed (perfective, accomplished), and you're not talking about an =
action you're in the middle of performing (continuous, in progress); =
you're describing your habit or tendency. This doesn't say "one knows we =
killed the prisoners" and it doesn't say "one knows we are killing the =
prisoners."
>=20
> --=20
> SuStel
> http://trimboli.name
>=20
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 3, 2015, at 12:00 PM, SuStel <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" =
class=3D"">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">On 12/3/2015 11:53 =
AM, Lieven wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">Am =
03.12.2015 um 17:21 schrieb SuStel:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">But because TKD says "The absence of a Type 7 =
suffix usually means that<br class=3D"">the action is not completed and =
is not continuous," we must generally<br class=3D"">assume that you did =
NOT complete killing the targ. You did not add<br class=3D"">{-pu'}, so =
you did not complete the action.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
class=3D"">qama'pu' DIHoH net Sov.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
class=3D"">Right. Here you're not specifying an action you undertook and =
completed (perfective, accomplished), and you're not talking about an =
action you're in the middle of performing (continuous, in progress); =
you're describing your habit or tendency. This doesn't say "one knows we =
killed the prisoners" and it doesn't say "one knows we are killing the =
prisoners."<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- <br class=3D"">SuStel<br =
class=3D""><a href=3D"http://trimboli.name" =
class=3D"">http://trimboli.name</a><br class=3D""><br =
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