[102759] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Religious terminology
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Wed Dec 2 15:33:59 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:33:41 -0500
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Hoch Davuvlaw=E2=80=99. qay=E2=80=99be=E2=80=99. =E2=80=98ach DIvI=E2=80=99=
Hol Dalo=E2=80=99taH =E2=80=98ej bIjatlhtaHvIS, tlhIngan Hol bopbe=E2=80=99=
QInlIj.
This is a remarkably long thread during which you are neither speaking =
Klingon nor discussing its grammar nor vocabulary. This is why SuStel is =
responding to you in Klingon. This is the =E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=9D that you =
are not getting.
It=E2=80=99s okay to briefly touch on tangential topics, like discussing =
appropriate topics for translation for beginners, but it=E2=80=99s less =
okay to go on and on about it in English without ever actually dealing =
with the language itself, either in substance or nature.
There are two rules here:
1. Write something in the Klingon language.
2. Write something about the Klingon language.
Eventually, you should start following at least one of these rules. =
It=E2=80=99s not just a place where people who are theoretically =
interested in the language or culture should write long messages about =
other people who theoretically have an interest in the language.
Just do it. Rule 1, or Rule 2. Take your pick.
I don=E2=80=99t say this disrespectfully. I don=E2=80=99t care about the =
past. This moment forward, follow at least one of the two rules. Don=E2=80=
=99t apologize. Don=E2=80=99t explain yourself. Just start living up to =
the etiquette of the list. Rule 1 or Rule 2.
lu=E2=80=99?
And please, DO call me on this when *I* make this same violation of the =
lists etiquette.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Dec 2, 2015, at 3:18 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Before I reply,I would like to say that everything I write,is being
> written respectfully towards you and every other member of this list.
> I'm not trying to argue with you or anyone else. Nor am I trying to
> impose my views. Please don't get the idea that this is becoming an
> increasingly "heated" discussion. I'm just exchanging views with you
> and everyone else than may be reading this. I do not want to argue
> with anyone.
>=20
> With this being said,I realize now what our problem is. We cannot come
> to a commonly accepted conclusion,as far as "which should be
> considered beginners sentences" is concerned. But the answer is
> simple.. And the answer is before our eyes..
>=20
> Which book has been written for beginners ? The TKD.. So,please
> compare your sentences and Bellerophon's as well to the sentences that
> are written there (in TKD) ; Can you honestly tell me,that they are of
> the same complexity ?
>=20
> qun HoD
>=20
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:45 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
>> On 12/2/2015 2:36 PM, qunnoQ HoD wrote:
>>>=20
>>> When one starts driving,he isn't expected to understand everything =
his
>>> teacher is doing,before he takes the wheel. He learns the =
basics,then
>>> starts driving on an empty street with 20 km/h on the right side,and
>>> gradually he develops his skills.
>>=20
>>=20
>> SepwIjDaq Hoch chutmey yajnIS taghwI', yav Duj SeHchoHpa'. yaj 'e' =
tob qum.
>> tobqu'pu'DI' qeqchoHlaH.
>>=20
>> pIm'a' SeplIj?
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> SuStel
>> http://trimboli.name
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">Hoch Davuvlaw=E2=80=99. qay=E2=80=99be=E2=80=99=
. =E2=80=98ach DIvI=E2=80=99Hol Dalo=E2=80=99taH =E2=80=98ej =
bIjatlhtaHvIS, tlhIngan Hol bopbe=E2=80=99 QInlIj.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">This is a remarkably =
long thread during which you are neither speaking Klingon nor discussing =
its grammar nor vocabulary. This is why SuStel is responding to you in =
Klingon. This is the =E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=9D that you are not =
getting.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It=E2=80=
=99s okay to briefly touch on tangential topics, like discussing =
appropriate topics for translation for beginners, but it=E2=80=99s less =
okay to go on and on about it in English without ever actually dealing =
with the language itself, either in substance or nature.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">There are two rules =
here:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1. Write =
something in the Klingon language.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">2. Write something about the Klingon =
language.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Eventually, you should start following at least one of these =
rules. It=E2=80=99s not just a place where people who are theoretically =
interested in the language or culture should write long messages about =
other people who theoretically have an interest in the =
language.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Just =
do it. Rule 1, or Rule 2. Take your pick.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I don=E2=80=99t say this =
disrespectfully. I don=E2=80=99t care about the past. This moment =
forward, follow at least one of the two rules. Don=E2=80=99t apologize. =
Don=E2=80=99t explain yourself. Just start living up to the etiquette of =
the list. Rule 1 or Rule 2.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div=
class=3D"">lu=E2=80=99?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">And please, DO call me on this when *I* make this same =
violation of the lists etiquette.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
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class=3D"">lojmIt tI'wI'nuv</div><div class=3D""><br =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 2, 2015, at 3:18 PM, qunnoQ HoD <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Before=
I reply,I would like to say that everything I write,is being<br =
class=3D"">written respectfully towards you and every other member of =
this list.<br class=3D"">I'm not trying to argue with you or anyone =
else. Nor am I trying to<br class=3D"">impose my views. Please don't get =
the idea that this is becoming an<br class=3D"">increasingly "heated" =
discussion. I'm just exchanging views with you<br class=3D"">and =
everyone else than may be reading this. I do not want to argue<br =
class=3D"">with anyone.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">With this being =
said,I realize now what our problem is. We cannot come<br class=3D"">to =
a commonly accepted conclusion,as far as "which should be<br =
class=3D"">considered beginners sentences" is concerned. But the answer =
is<br class=3D"">simple.. And the answer is before our eyes..<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Which book has been written for beginners ? =
The TKD.. So,please<br class=3D"">compare your sentences and =
Bellerophon's as well to the sentences that<br class=3D"">are written =
there (in TKD) ; Can you honestly tell me,that they are of<br =
class=3D"">the same complexity ?<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">qun HoD<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:45 PM, SuStel <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" =
class=3D"">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On 12/2/2015 2:36 PM, qunnoQ HoD wrote:<br =
class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D"">When one =
starts driving,he isn't expected to understand everything his<br =
class=3D"">teacher is doing,before he takes the wheel. He learns the =
basics,then<br class=3D"">starts driving on an empty street with 20 km/h =
on the right side,and<br class=3D"">gradually he develops his skills.<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">SepwIjDaq Hoch =
chutmey yajnIS taghwI', yav Duj SeHchoHpa'. yaj 'e' tob qum.<br =
class=3D"">tobqu'pu'DI' qeqchoHlaH.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">pIm'a' =
SeplIj?<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">--<br =
class=3D"">SuStel<br class=3D""><a href=3D"http://trimboli.name" =
class=3D"">http://trimboli.name</a><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
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class=3D"">_______________________________________________<br =
class=3D"">Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:Tlhingan-hol@kli.org" =
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