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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Religious terminology
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Wed Dec 2 15:14:46 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 15:14:27 -0500
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This seems like a classic straw man argument. Why make up three =
fictional characters when facing the real situation of determining what =
is appropriate for beginners to translate? And especially, why spend so =
many words doing it in a public forum?
Klingon doesn=E2=80=99t have much religious terminology (the subject of =
this thread), and what little it has relates to a Klingon religion =
revolving around a character more like Paul Bunion than Jesus Christ. He =
dips a hair into lava and it transforms into a special sword-like weapon =
with which he kicks ass supreme. Kahless the Unforgettable never asked =
ANYBODY to turn the other cheek.=20
Someone writing in asking for us to translate a lot of Christian terms =
that don=E2=80=99t exist in the language and likely have no parallel in =
the culture intended as a tool to help a beginner know how to translate =
something they want to translate is probably barking up the wrong tree.
It really is that simple. It=E2=80=99s not worth arguing about.
Now, could we please get back to talking about the language itself, or, =
better yet, writing something in the language? That=E2=80=99s supposed =
to be why this list exists, right?
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Dec 2, 2015, at 11:45 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> I believe the whole discussion of what a beginner should try
> translate,and what not,is taking place on the wrong basis ; It is not
> *what* a beginner should translate. It is rather *why* he wants to
> translate and *how* he proceeds doing it.
>=20
> Lets assume 3 beginners : Tom,Dick, and Harry=E2=80=A6
> [followed by a very long, fictional description of three Klingon =
students.]
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">This seems like a classic straw man argument. =
Why make up three fictional characters when facing the real situation of =
determining what is appropriate for beginners to translate? And =
especially, why spend so many words doing it in a public =
forum?</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Klingon =
doesn=E2=80=99t have much religious terminology (the subject of this =
thread), and what little it has relates to a Klingon religion revolving =
around a character more like Paul Bunion than Jesus Christ. He dips a =
hair into lava and it transforms into a special sword-like weapon with =
which he kicks ass supreme. Kahless the Unforgettable never asked =
ANYBODY to turn the other cheek. </div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Someone writing in asking for us to =
translate a lot of Christian terms that don=E2=80=99t exist in the =
language and likely have no parallel in the culture intended as a tool =
to help a beginner know how to translate something they want to =
translate is probably barking up the wrong tree.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It really is that simple. It=E2=80=99s =
not worth arguing about.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Now, could we please get back to talking about the language =
itself, or, better yet, writing something in the language? That=E2=80=99s =
supposed to be why this list exists, right?</div><br class=3D""><div =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 2, 2015, at 11:45 AM, qunnoQ HoD <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">I =
believe the whole discussion of what a beginner should try<br =
class=3D"">translate,and what not,is taking place on the wrong basis ; =
It is not<br class=3D"">*what* a beginner should translate. It is rather =
*why* he wants to<br class=3D"">translate and *how* he proceeds doing =
it.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Lets assume 3 beginners : Tom,Dick, and =
Harry=E2=80=A6<br class=3D"">[followed by a very long, fictional =
description of three Klingon students.]</div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></body></html>=
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