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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Aspect, etc
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIE3DvGxsZXI=?=)
Wed Dec 2 07:49:04 2015
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 13:48:47 +0100
From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcsOpIE3DvGxsZXI=?= <esperantist@gmail.com>
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2015-12-02 12:49 GMT+01:00 lojmIt tI'wI' nuv <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>:
> ... which is pretty much indistinguishable in meaning to {targh vIHoHpu'.=
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No. The meaning can be very different. Bear in mind that {-pu'} is not a
past tense marker, but perfective aspect, meaning that the action has
finished, is finished just now or will be finished in the future. While
{'opHu' targh vIHoH} can ONLY refer to a past event, your suggestion can be
interpreted as past, present, or future: {targh vIHoHpu'} =3D I had killed =
a
targ / I (just) killed a targ / I will have killed a targ. It merely says
that the targ-killing is finished, relative to the frame of reference (the
contextual time).
But the difference between {'opHu' targh vIHoHpu'} and {'opHu' targh vIHoH}
is minute if at all existing.
- Andr=C3=A9
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2015=
-12-02 12:49 GMT+01:00 lojmIt tI'wI' nuv <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@=
gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">... which is pr=
etty much indistinguishable in meaning to {targh vIHoHpu'.}<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No. The meaning can be very different.=
Bear in mind that {-pu'} is not a past tense marker, but perfective as=
pect, meaning that the action has finished, is finished just now or will be=
finished in the future. While {'opHu' targh vIHoH} can ONLY refer =
to a past event, your suggestion can be interpreted as past, present, or fu=
ture: {targh vIHoHpu'} =3D I had killed a targ / I (just) killed a targ=
/ I will have killed a targ. It merely says that the targ-killing is finis=
hed, relative to the frame of reference (the contextual time).<br><br></div=
><div>But the difference between {'opHu' targh vIHoHpu'} and {&=
#39;opHu' targh vIHoH} is minute if at all existing. <br></div><div><br=
></div><div>- Andr=C3=A9<br></div></div></div></div>
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