[102725] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Aspect, etc
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Tue Dec 1 20:53:32 2015
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 11:53:16 +1000
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ghItlhpu' QISta'=2C jatlh:
> Also=2C in regards to "time-stamps"=2C I see that one can say "a year ago=
"
> and such=2C but how would one express that something happened at some
> unspecified time in the past (or in the future=2C for that matter)?
The safe way of doing it is as SuStel has noted=2C with constructions like =
{'op ben} "some years ago"=2C {leS puS} "a few days from now"=2C and so for=
th.
There's been some conjecture as to whether {ret} and {pIq} can be used on t=
heir own as sorts of general adverbials of time reference - in the Klingon =
subtitles I did for "Star Trek: First Contact"=2C I at first rendered Picar=
d's statement of "they must have done it in the past" as {ret lurInmoHba'ta=
'} - but we have no canon evidence of whether this is really possible.
(Also=2C note that I used {ret} explicitly for "[at some point] in the past=
"=2C standing in addition to=2C not merely in place of=2C the tense/aspect =
reference of "they must have done it". I wouldn't accept bare {ret} and {pI=
q} being used as general tense markers and I don't think many other speaker=
s would accept them in that sense either.)
jang SuStel=2C jatlh:
> I believe paq'batlh has {'op ben} for "some years ago."
It also has the formally compounded {'opleS} "someday (in the future)" (paq=
'batlh: paq'yav 2.8=2C 2.11-12).
taH:
> You can also say {ben law'} "many years ago"
...HoD Huj vIqIH. :)
QeS 'utlh
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' QISta'=2C jatlh:<br>&g=
t=3B Also=2C in regards to "time-stamps"=2C I see that one can say "a year =
ago"<br><div>>=3B and such=2C but how would one express that something ha=
ppened at some<br>>=3B unspecified time in the past (or in the future=2C =
for that matter)?<br><br>The safe way of doing it is as SuStel has noted=2C=
with constructions like {'op ben} "some years ago"=2C {leS puS} "a few day=
s from now"=2C and so forth.<br><br>There's been some conjecture as to whet=
her {ret} and {pIq} can be used on their own as sorts of general adverbials=
of time reference - in the Klingon subtitles I did for "Star Trek: First C=
ontact"=2C I at first rendered Picard's statement of "they must have done i=
t in the past" as {ret lurInmoHba'ta'} - but we have no canon evidence of w=
hether this is really possible.<br><br>(Also=2C note that I used {ret} expl=
icitly for "[at some point] in the past"=2C standing in addition to=2C not =
merely in place of=2C the tense/aspect reference of "they must have done it=
". I wouldn't accept bare {ret} and {pIq} being used as general tense marke=
rs and I don't think many other speakers would accept them in that sense ei=
ther.)<br><br>jang SuStel=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B I believe paq'batlh has {'op =
ben} for "some years ago."<br><br>It also has the formally compounded {'opl=
eS} "someday (in the future)" (paq'batlh: paq'yav 2.8=2C 2.11-12).<br><br>t=
aH:<br>>=3B You can also say {ben law'} "many years ago"<br><br>...HoD Hu=
j vIqIH. :)<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br></div> </div></body>
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