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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] meme question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John R. Harness)
Mon Nov 23 18:09:09 2015
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:08:53 -0600
From: "John R. Harness" <cartweel@gmail.com>
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
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Apologies, I did miss this one -- I think the question hit the listserv
just before I saw the email letting me know that I had gotten the job ^_^
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> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 08:17:32 -0500
> From: Karen Alessio <karenalessio@gmail.com>
> To: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
> Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] meme question
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> thanks! :)
> I assume the linguist way to look at it is that since sentences with neH
> are probably so common that the 'e' eventually dropped out over time to be
> quicker... fictional evidence of language drift.
> Pretty cool.
> On Nov 23, 2015 3:58 AM, "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 11, 2015 9:13 PM, "Karen Alessio" <karenalessio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Ok, so I saw this Worf meme on the KLI facebook page, and I have a
> > newbie
> > >> grammar question.
> > >> I hope I can send an attachment to the mailing list. Sorry that it may
> > >> seem like a weird topic, talking about lovers and all, it was just the
> > >> grammar confused me.
> > >>
> > >> The phrase in question is written as "parmaqqaywI' SoH vIneH",
> > >> however I would like to know if maybe it would be more correct as
> > >> "parmaqqaywI' SoH 'e' vIneH" with something like 'e' there to mark the
> > >> depenant clause?
> > > oops I didnt put KLBC in the subject!
> >
> > Did anyone answer this? I think maybe 'arHa missed it because the
> > subject didn't say [KLBC]. Since it's been more than a week, .
> >
> > See section 6.2.5 of The Klingon Dictionary: "When the verb of the
> > second sentence is {neH} 'want', neither {'e'} nor {net} is used, but
> > the construction is otherwise identical to that just described."
> >
> > (As for why {neH} is such a special verb, that has to do with the
> > director of Star Trek III wanting to change the meaning of a line
> > which had already been filmed. That story's been told on this mailing
> > list hundreds of times by now, although maybe someone will want to
> > tell it again.)
> >
> > --
> > De'vID
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thanks! :)<br>
I assume the linguist way to look at it is that since sentences with neH<br=
>
are probably so common that the 'e' eventually dropped out over tim=
e to be<br>
quicker... fictional evidence of language drift.<br>
Pretty cool.<br>
On Nov 23, 2015 3:58 AM, "De'vID" <<a href=3D"mailto:de.vi=
d.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> > On Nov 11, 2015 9:13 PM, "Karen Alessio" <<a href=3D=
"mailto:karenalessio@gmail.com">karenalessio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Ok, so I saw this Worf meme on the KLI facebook page, and I h=
ave a<br>
> newbie<br>
> >> grammar question.<br>
> >> I hope I can send an attachment to the mailing list. Sorry th=
at it may<br>
> >> seem like a weird topic, talking about lovers and all, it was=
just the<br>
> >> grammar confused me.<br>
> >><br>
> >> The phrase in question is written as "parmaqqaywI' S=
oH vIneH",<br>
> >> however I would like to know if maybe it would be more correc=
t as<br>
> >> "parmaqqaywI' SoH 'e' vIneH" with somet=
hing like 'e' there to mark the<br>
> >> depenant clause?<br>
> > oops I didnt put KLBC in the subject!<br>
><br>
> Did anyone answer this? I think maybe 'arHa missed it because the<=
br>
> subject didn't say [KLBC]. Since it's been more than a week, .=
<br>
><br>
> See section 6.2.5 of The Klingon Dictionary: "When the verb of th=
e<br>
> second sentence is {neH} 'want', neither {'e'} nor {ne=
t} is used, but<br>
> the construction is otherwise identical to that just described."<=
br>
><br>
> (As for why {neH} is such a special verb, that has to do with the<br>
> director of Star Trek III wanting to change the meaning of a line<br>
> which had already been filmed. That story's been told on this mail=
ing<br>
> list hundreds of times by now, although maybe someone will want to<br>
> tell it again.)<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> De'vID</blockquote></div></div></div>
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