[102544] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] meme question
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher Kidder-Mostrom)
Mon Nov 23 10:59:35 2015
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Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 09:59:18 -0600
From: Christopher Kidder-Mostrom <cokidder@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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I have to confess that I really enjoy the fact that the directors and
actors have a direct effect on the evolution of the language. Every
non-constructed language has exceptions to their grammar rules, and this is
one way for tlhIngan Hol to develop them. The fact that Marc treats them
as such is beautiful to me. He doesn't besmirch those working on the
official projects. Instead, he incorporates, explains, and develops
reasons for the changes that come about.
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 9:32 AM, chransberry@gmail.com <
chransberry@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pesky directors!
>
> -QISta'
>
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, Nov 23, 2015 01:58
> Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] meme question
> To: "tlhIngan Hol mailing list" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
>
> > On Nov 11, 2015 9:13 PM, "Karen Alessio" <karenalessio@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ok, so I saw this Worf meme on the KLI facebook page, and I have a
> newbie
> >> grammar question.
> >> I hope I can send an attachment to the mailing list. Sorry that it may
> >> seem like a weird topic, talking about lovers and all, it was just the
> >> grammar confused me.
> >>
> >> The phrase in question is written as "parmaqqaywI' SoH vIneH",
> >> however I would like to know if maybe it would be more correct as
> >> "parmaqqaywI' SoH 'e' vIneH" with something like 'e' there to mark the
> >> depenant clause?
> > oops I didnt put KLBC in the subject!
>
> Did anyone answer this? I think maybe 'arHa missed it because the
> subject didn't say [KLBC]. Since it's been more than a week, .
>
> See section 6.2.5 of The Klingon Dictionary: "When the verb of the
> second sentence is {neH} 'want', neither {'e'} nor {net} is used, but
> the construction is otherwise identical to that just described."
>
> (As for why {neH} is such a special verb, that has to do with the
> director of Star Trek III wanting to change the meaning of a line
> which had already been filmed. That story's been told on this mailing
> list hundreds of times by now, although maybe someone will want to
> tell it again.)
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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*Christopher Kidder-Mostrom*
*Current Projects: *
- *Drama Critic:* reviewing for *Newcity Magazine
<http://www.newcitystage.com> *and *Theatre By Numbers*
<http://www.theatre1234.com>
- *Director:** Not Now, Darling* at BrightSide Theatre
<http://brightsidetheatre.com/>, February 19 - March 6, 2016
- *Board Member:* Illinois Theatre Association - Professional Division Rep
<http://www.christopherokidder.com>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I have to confess that I really enjoy the fact that the di=
rectors and actors have a direct effect on the evolution of the language.=
=C2=A0 Every non-constructed language has exceptions to their grammar rules=
, and this is one way for tlhIngan Hol to develop them.=C2=A0 The fact that=
Marc treats them as such is beautiful to me.=C2=A0 He doesn't besmirch=
those working on the official projects.=C2=A0 Instead, he incorporates, ex=
plains, and develops reasons for the changes that come about.<br></div><div=
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 =
at 9:32 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:chransberry@gmail.com">chransberry@gmail.com<=
/a> <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:chransberry@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">chransberry@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">Pesky directors!<br><br>-QISta'<br><br><br>----- Reply m=
essage -----<br>From: "De'vID" <<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.j=
onpin@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>><br>Date:=
Mon, Nov 23, 2015 01:58<br>Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] meme question<br>To: &q=
uot;tlhIngan Hol mailing list" <<a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.=
org" target=3D"_blank">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a>><br><br>> On Nov 11, =
2015 9:13 PM, "Karen Alessio" <<a href=3D"mailto:karenalessio@=
gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">karenalessio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>&=
gt;<br>>> Ok, so I saw this Worf meme on the KLI facebook page, and I=
have a newbie<br>>> grammar question.<br>>> I hope I can send =
an attachment to the mailing list. Sorry that it may<br>>> seem like =
a weird topic, talking about lovers and all, it was just the<br>>> gr=
ammar confused me.<br>>><br>>> The phrase in question is writte=
n as "parmaqqaywI' SoH vIneH",<br>>> however I would li=
ke to know if maybe it would be more correct as<br>>> "parmaqqay=
wI' SoH 'e' vIneH" with something like 'e' there t=
o mark the<br>>> depenant clause?<br>> oops I didnt put KLBC in th=
e subject!<br><br>Did anyone answer this? I think maybe 'arHa missed it=
because the<br>subject didn't say [KLBC]. Since it's been more tha=
n a week, .<br><br>See section 6.2.5 of The Klingon Dictionary: "When =
the verb of the<br>second sentence is {neH} 'want', neither {'e=
'} nor {net} is used, but<br>the construction is otherwise identical to=
that just described."<br><br>(As for why {neH} is such a special verb=
, that has to do with the<br>director of Star Trek III wanting to change th=
e meaning of a line<br>which had already been filmed. That story's been=
told on this mailing<br>list hundreds of times by now, although maybe some=
one will want to<br>tell it again.)<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#8=
88888"><br><br>-- <br>De'vID<br><br>___________________________________=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2"><i><b>Christopher Kidder-Mostrom</b></i><=
br></font></div><div><font size=3D"2"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"2=
"><u>Current Projects: </u><br></font></div><ul><li><font size=3D"2"><b>Dra=
ma Critic:</b> reviewing for <i><a href=3D"http://www.newcitystage.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">Newcity Magazine</a> </i>and <a href=3D"http://www.theatre12=
34.com" target=3D"_blank"><i>Theatre By Numbers</i></a></font><br><span></s=
pan></li><li><font size=3D"2"><b>Director:</b><i><b> </b>Not Now, Darling</=
i> at <a href=3D"http://brightsidetheatre.com/" target=3D"_blank">BrightSid=
e Theatre</a>, February 19 - March 6, 2016<i><br></i></font></li><li><font =
size=3D"2"><b>Board Member:</b> Illinois Theatre Association - Professional=
Division Rep<br></font></li></ul></div></div></span><a href=3D"http://www.=
christopherokidder.com" target=3D"_blank"></a></div></div></div></div></div=
></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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