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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuqDaq ghaH 'arHa'e'?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Mon Nov 23 08:25:19 2015
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmMPO6ESrN1Otj7xac8nzKkqM=DJwS4md7EzbXrYMENT=w@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:25:00 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhIngan-Hol@kli.org>
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> I also chose that proverb specifically to highlight the fact that it's
inappropriate from a Klingon point of view to do nothing while beginners
need help
this is indeed a very honorable thing to say.. qa'van De'vID
On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 17 November 2015 at 13:44, Anthony Appleyard
> <a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > De'vID:
> >> taghwI'pu' tIQorgh. yIbIv, 'ej bIbIvtaHvIS qa'meH vIttlheghvam yIqaw:
> >> Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'.
> >
> > (I know what "infringe" means.)
>
> But the question remains, why do you believe that this is the
> definition of {bIv}? What's your source?
>
> > That text seems to say "Take care of beginners. Infringe (imperative),
> and while you are infringing, as a replacement, remember (imperative) this
> proverb: "while the warrior is dying, only the fool laughs.".".
>
> "Take care of the beginners. Break the rules, and while you're
> breaking them, remember the replacement proverb: only fools laugh
> while warriors die."
>
> Do you know what replacement proverbs are? These are statements used
> by Klingons to excuse themselves when committing a social faux pas
> (among other kinds of errors). I was telling Qov to go ahead and break
> the rules, while excusing herself.
>
> I also chose that proverb specifically to highlight the fact that it's
> inappropriate from a Klingon point of view to do nothing while
> beginners need help, just as it's inappropriate to laugh while
> warriors die.
>
> > This looks to me like an example of an imperative being used as a
> conditional, a construction used in English sometimes. e.g.: "Scuba dive
> (imperative) there, and the navy base's underwater defences will make a
> quick end of you", used to mean "If you scuba dive there, the navy base's
> underwater defences will make a quick end of you". But, is
> imperative-as-conditional allowed in Klingon?
>
> I don't know. Your example looks nothing like what I wrote.
>
> This is a Klingon sentence resembling your example sentence:
> {bIjeghbe'chugh vaj bIHegh.} "Surrender or die", or more literally,
> "if you do not surrender, you will die."
>
> --
> De'vID
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> I also chose that proverb specifically to highli=
ght the fact that it's inappropriate from a Klingon point of view to do=
nothing while beginners need help<br><br></div>this is indeed a very honor=
able thing to say..=C2=A0 qa'van De'vID<br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 10:57 AM, D=
e'vID <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc s=
olid;padding-left:1ex">On 17 November 2015 at 13:44, Anthony Appleyard<br>
<span class=3D""><<a href=3D"mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com">a.appley=
ard@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> De'vID:<br>
>> taghwI'pu' tIQorgh. yIbIv, 'ej bIbIvtaHvIS qa'meH =
vIttlheghvam yIqaw:<br>
>> Hagh qoHpu' neH HeghtaHvIS SuvwI'pu'.<br>
><br>
> (I know what "infringe" means.)<br>
<br>
</span>But the question remains, why do you believe that this is the<br>
definition of {bIv}? What's your source?<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
> That text seems to say "Take care of beginners. Infringe (imperat=
ive), and while you are infringing, as a replacement, remember (imperative)=
this proverb: "while the warrior is dying, only the fool laughs."=
;.".<br>
<br>
</span>"Take care of the beginners. Break the rules, and while you'=
;re<br>
breaking them, remember the replacement proverb: only fools laugh<br>
while warriors die."<br>
<br>
Do you know what replacement proverbs are? These are statements used<br>
by Klingons to excuse themselves when committing a social faux pas<br>
(among other kinds of errors). I was telling Qov to go ahead and break<br>
the rules, while excusing herself.<br>
<br>
I also chose that proverb specifically to highlight the fact that it's<=
br>
inappropriate from a Klingon point of view to do nothing while<br>
beginners need help, just as it's inappropriate to laugh while<br>
warriors die.<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
> This looks to me like an example of an imperative being used as a cond=
itional, a construction used in English sometimes. e.g.: "Scuba dive (=
imperative) there, and the navy base's underwater defences will make a =
quick end of you", used to mean "If you scuba dive there, the nav=
y base's underwater defences will make a quick end of you". But, i=
s imperative-as-conditional allowed in Klingon?<br>
<br>
</span>I don't know. Your example looks nothing like what I wrote.<br>
<br>
This is a Klingon sentence resembling your example sentence:<br>
{bIjeghbe'chugh vaj bIHegh.} "Surrender or die", or more lite=
rally,<br>
"if you do not surrender, you will die."<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
De'vID<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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