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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: multiple locatives
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (fata irae)
Sun Nov 22 20:33:54 2015
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmOgcRtPHUUcvhnHpZZ1aLTBd3rk=MxQ=+9m8NZSEuxa9w@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:33:38 -0500
From: fata irae <fatairae@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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De'vID
> Unlike other nouns, these three words are never followed by the
> locative suffix. (Note that {pa'} "thereabouts" and {pa'} "room" are
> identical in sound; {pa'Daq,} however, can mean only "in/to the
> room.")
I am mildly confused by this. What makes -vo' different from -Daq' in this
context? Is it that -Daq' is ~labeled~ as the locative? Or does this
imply that you can come 'from' there abouts, but not 'to' there abouts?
(as always, I'm willing to accept this if so, but it would imply
interesting socio-linguistic permutations on klingon).
'arHa:
> Yes, you can specify both places with {-vo'} and {-Daq}. There's no
> grammatical or stylistic reason to not specify, if you want.
>
> Thanks 'arHa. I was specifically wondering if there was an issue with
specifying multiple non-objects in the sentence header, since all the
examples I could find were singletons. The only alternative I could think
of was to connect them with 'ej, as De'vID was saying: {pa'vo' pa'Daq je
vIHtaH qa'}.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">De'vID <br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D=
"">Unlike other nouns, these three words are never followed by the<br>
locative suffix.=C2=A0 (Note that {pa'} "thereabouts" and {pa=
'} "room" are<br>
identical in sound; {pa'Daq,} however, can mean only "in/to the<br=
>
room.")</span></blockquote><div>I am mildly confused by this.=C2=A0 Wh=
at makes -vo' different from -Daq' in this context?=C2=A0 Is it tha=
t -Daq' is ~labeled~ as the locative?=C2=A0 Or does this imply that you=
can come 'from' there abouts, but not 'to' there abouts?=
=C2=A0 (as always, I'm willing to accept this if so, but it would imply=
interesting socio-linguistic permutations on klingon).<br></div><div>=C2=
=A0<span class=3D"">
<br>
</span>'arHa:</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><d=
iv class=3D""><div id=3D":ql" class=3D"" tabindex=3D"0">Yes, you can specif=
y both places with {-vo'} and {-Daq}. There's no grammatical or sty=
listic reason to not specify, if you want.</div></div><span class=3D"">
</span><span class=3D""><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
</font></span></blockquote></div>Thanks 'arHa.=C2=A0 I was specifically=
wondering if there was an issue with specifying multiple non-objects in th=
e sentence header, since all the examples I could find were singletons.=C2=
=A0 The only alternative I could think of was to connect them with 'ej,=
as De'vID was saying: {pa'vo' pa'Daq je vIHtaH qa'}.</=
div><br></div>
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