[102507] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] HuS
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Sun Nov 22 06:11:10 2015
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:10:48 +1000
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ghItlhpu' De'vID=2C jatlh:
> Does anyone have statistics on the could-be-subject-could-be-object
> verbs? I think there aren't that many of them (a few dozen at most?)=2C
> though I haven't made any effort to actually go through the word list
> and count them.
Nor have I=2C so I can't say too much on that. I have wondered whether {pep=
} "raise" is one of these=2C but "raise" is rare as an intransitive in Engl=
ish and it seems to me more likely that it probably means "[agent] X raises=
[patient] Y".
taH:
> We know that the subject of {vIH} moves by its definition: "move=2C be
> in motion". (Wouldn't it have been nice if {HuS} had been "hang=2C be
> hanging"?)
Well=2C all we have by way of definition is "hang (v)"=3B the absence of a =
clarifying gloss doesn't mean anything. :)
taH:
> We know {meQ} and {So'} can be both because we have canon examples of bot=
h.
The other one I know off the top of my head is {pegh}=2C both "be secret" a=
nd "keep secret"=2C but I'm sure a few others exist.
QeS 'utlh
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' De'vID=2C jatlh:<br>&g=
t=3B Does anyone have statistics on the could-be-subject-could-be-object<br=
><div>>=3B verbs? I think there aren't that many of them (a few dozen at =
most?)=2C<br>>=3B though I haven't made any effort to actually go through=
the word list<br>>=3B and count them.<br><br>Nor have I=2C so I can't sa=
y too much on that. I have wondered whether {pep} "raise" is one of these=
=2C but "raise" is rare as an intransitive in English and it seems to me mo=
re likely that it probably means "[agent] X raises [patient] Y".<br><br>taH=
:<br>>=3B We know that the subject of {vIH} moves by its definition: "mov=
e=2C be<br>>=3B in motion". (Wouldn't it have been nice if {HuS} had been=
"hang=2C be<br>>=3B hanging"?)<br><br>Well=2C all we have by way of defi=
nition is "hang (v)"=3B the absence of a clarifying gloss doesn't mean anyt=
hing. :)<br><br>taH:<br>>=3B We know {meQ} and {So'} can be both because =
we have canon examples of both.<br><br>The other one I know off the top of =
my head is {pegh}=2C both "be secret" and "keep secret"=2C but I'm sure a f=
ew others exist.<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br></div> </div></body>
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