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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Qun qa'
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven Boozer)
Tue Nov 17 13:17:13 2015
From: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:16:57 +0000
In-Reply-To: <1447781594400.6249@kth.se>
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I found another:
'ach HoD, Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veH tIn wI'el maH'e'
But Captain, that course will take *US* into the [Great] Barrier as well! S=
T5
Now looking at the subtitle "as well", I wonder if that should have be {maH=
je}?
From: Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felixm@kth.se]
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 11:33 AM
> Maybe I'm just having some kind of stuck mental function. I can't come
> up with a reason to put a noun suffix on a pronoun. I can think of severa=
l
> verb suffixes that work, but no noun suffixes. Yes, pronouns can be used
> in Klingon as verbs or nouns, but appropriate affixes are limited, and al=
l
> the ones I can come up with are verb suffixes.
All of the Type-5 noun suffixes make sense to me, and many have been seen i=
n canon.
=3D=3D=3D 'e'=3D=3D=3D
TKD includes the sentence {lujpu' jIH'e'} as "It is *I* who have failed."
I believe it's generally accepted that this should really be {jIlujpu' jIH'=
e'}, however.
When somebody wrongfully asks me {nuqneH?}, I like to reply (at least in my=
mind) with {pagh vIneH. nuq DaneH SoH'e'?}
I could also see it used in comparatives:
{tlhIH'e' Hul'Iq HoS law' Hoch HoS puS.}
=3D "Hul'q is the strongest of y'all."
ghaH'e' is used in paq'batlh:
{veng 'elDI' ghaH / pawpa' ghaH'e' / paw lutDaj 'e' Sov qeylIS}
=3D "Upon entering the city, / Kahless knows his tale / Has preceded him."
paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 10, Stanza 1
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">I found another:=
<b><br>
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'ach HoD, Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veH tIn wI'el maH'e'</b> <o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">But Captain, tha=
t course will take *<b><i>US</i></b><i>*</i> into the [<i>Great</i>] Barrie=
r as well! ST5<br>
<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546A">Now looking at the subtitle “as w=
ell”, I wonder if that should have be {maH je}?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Felix Malmenbeck [mailto:felix=
m@kth.se]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 17, 2015 11:33 AM<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
gt; Maybe I’m just having some kind of stuck mental function. I can&#=
8217;t come<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
gt; up with a reason to put a noun suffix on a pronoun. I can think of seve=
ral<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
gt; verb suffixes that work, but no noun suffixes. Yes, pronouns can be use=
d<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
gt; in Klingon as verbs or nouns, but appropriate affixes are limited, and =
all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">&=
gt; the ones I can come up with are verb suffixes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">A=
ll of the Type-5 noun suffixes make sense to me, and many have been seen in=
canon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">=
=3D=3D=3D 'e'=3D=3D=3D <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">T=
KD includes the sentence {lujpu' jIH'e'} as "It is *I* who have failed=
."<br>
I believe it's generally accepted that this should really be {jIlujpu' jIH'=
e'}, however.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">W=
hen somebody wrongfully asks me {nuqneH?}, I like to reply (at least in my =
mind) with {pagh vIneH. nuq DaneH SoH'e'?}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I=
could also see it used in comparatives:<br>
<br>
{tlhIH'e' Hul'Iq HoS law' Hoch HoS puS.}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">=
=3D "Hul'q is the strongest of y'all."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">g=
haH'e' is used in paq'batlh:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-=
serif;color:black">{veng ‘elDI’ ghaH / pawpa’ ghaH’=
e’ / paw lutDaj ‘e’ Sov qeylIS}<br>
=3D "Upon entering the city, / Kahless knows his tale / Has preceded h=
im."<br>
paq'batlh, paq'raD, Canto 10, Stanza 1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><=
o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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