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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] KLBC: locative object
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karen Alessio)
Tue Nov 17 06:35:17 2015
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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 06:35:00 -0500
From: Karen Alessio <karenalessio@gmail.com>
To: qov@kli.org
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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thank you so much!
On Nov 17, 2015 2:39 AM, <qov@kli.org> wrote:
> In violation of =E2=80=98arHa=E2=80=99s mandate, but out of respect and a=
dmiration for Karen
> Alessio & Fatairae, who are thinking and talking about tlhIngan Hol betwe=
en
> themselves, I am answering this question.
>
>
>
> > Karen and I were spitting at each other, and had a debate on locatives.
> >
> > ravchajDaq bIQong
> > bIQong ravchajDaq
> > "You sleep on their floor"
>
>
>
> The Klingon Dictionary is clear on this point. See the end of section 6.=
1
> on p. 60. =E2=80=9CAny noun in the sentence indicating something other t=
han
> subject or object comes first, before the object noun. Such nouns usually
> end in a type 5 noun suffix.=E2=80=9D It may help to think of the locativ=
e noun as
> being the setting established for the subsequent phrase. The order is
> mandatory.
>
>
>
> ravchajDaq bIQong.
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> >
> > Some languages treat locatives as an object, others as an independent.
> Is the order important here? Or is it a theoretical third, that explicitl=
y
> makes the floor the object?
> >
> > ravchajDaq DaQong
>
>
>
> There are a few verbs of motion that take their destination as an object,
> but in general Klingon locations are not objects.
>
>
>
> Keep talking, keep thinking and keep asking. This is the gold standard o=
f
> what beginner questions should look like: a simple question that you=E2=
=80=99ve
> thought about and tried to solve on your own, with examples that show you=
r
> care and ability. Plus the spitting. Very important.
>
> reH tlhIngan Hol bojatlhjaj!
>
>
>
> - Qov =E2=80=98utlh
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">thank you so much!</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Nov 17, 2015 2:39 AM, <<a href=3D"mailto:=
qov@kli.org">qov@kli.org</a>> wrote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote=
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">In violation of =E2=80=
=98arHa=E2=80=99s mandate, but out of respect and admiration for </span><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",=
"sans-serif"">Karen Alessio & Fatairae, who are thinking and =
talking about tlhIngan Hol between themselves, I am answering this question=
. </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&q=
uot;sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",&q=
uot;sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">> </span>Karen and I w=
ere spitting at each other, and had a debate on locatives.<br><span style=
=3D"color:#1f497d">></span><br>> ravchajDaq bIQong<br>> bIQong rav=
chajDaq<br>> "You sleep on their floor"<u></u><u></u></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;;color:#1f497d">The Klingon Dictionary is clear on this point.=C2=A0 See t=
he end of section 6.1 on p. 60.=C2=A0 =E2=80=9CAny noun in the sentence ind=
icating something other than subject or object comes first, before the obje=
ct noun. Such nouns usually end in a type 5 noun suffix.=E2=80=9D It may he=
lp to think of the locative noun as being the setting established for the s=
ubsequent phrase. The order is mandatory.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">ravchajDaq bIQong.<u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">&g=
t;</span><br><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">> </span>Some languages treat=
locatives as an object, others as an independent.=C2=A0 Is the order impor=
tant here? Or is it a theoretical third, that explicitly makes the floor th=
e object?<br><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">></span><br><span style=3D"co=
lor:#1f497d">> </span>ravchajDaq DaQong<span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497=
d">There are a few verbs of motion that take their destination as an object=
, but in general Klingon locations are not objects. <u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Keep talking, kee=
p thinking and keep asking.=C2=A0 This is the gold standard of what beginne=
r questions should look like: a simple question that you=E2=80=99ve thought=
about and tried to solve on your own, with examples that show your care an=
d ability.=C2=A0 Plus the spitting.=C2=A0 Very important.<br><br>reH tlhIng=
an Hol bojatlhjaj!<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&quo=
t;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-ser=
if";color:#1f497d">=C2=A0 - Qov =E2=80=98utlh<u></u><u></u></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">--<u></u><u></u></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
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