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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Expressing gratitude
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Fri Nov 13 10:53:27 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAP7F2c+nprqPbwBjzYXDkKad+HsikiOE=5ZyyNFrG5YWgMvgzw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 10:53:08 -0500
To: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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The language has the verb {tlho=E2=80=99}, so clearly Klingons CAN say =
{qatlho=E2=80=99} and here, many speakers have done so. It doesn=E2=80=99t=
tend to happen a lot.
It would help to know WHERE you read that Klingons don=E2=80=99t say, =
=E2=80=9CThank you.=E2=80=9D I read somewhere that the world is flat. =
Having something written doesn=E2=80=99t make it true. Show us the =
authority of the source.
It is true that Klingons don=E2=80=99t say, =E2=80=9CHello,=E2=80=9D or =
=E2=80=9CGoodbye=E2=80=9D. They don=E2=80=99t have words for that. They =
basically tend to leave each other alone, unless they have something =
meaningful to say, and then they just SAY it. They don=E2=80=99t need to =
just confirm the obvious that =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m here and you are here =
and thus, we should say something meaningless in order to establish =
communication between us,=E2=80=9D a.k.a. =E2=80=9CHi=E2=80=9D. Or =
=E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m leaving now, so I need to make you aware of that, =
just in case you haven=E2=80=99t noticed and perhaps you think our =
communication is incomplete, I want to make sure to prompt you to finish =
saying anything you had to say to me before you lose that =
opportunity,=E2=80=9D a.k.a =E2=80=9CGoodbye.=E2=80=9D
If you walk up to a Klingon as if you were going to say something, but =
you don=E2=80=99t say anything, he or she will likely become suspicious =
and say, {nuqneH!}, basically to give you the opportunity to state a =
reason for him or her to not hit you to make you back off to a more =
comfortable distance, and if a commander does want to let his troops =
recognize that he=E2=80=99s finished assigning them a mission and it=E2=80=
=99s time for them to go off and do it, he=E2=80=99s likely to say =
{Qapla=E2=80=99!}
Humans seem to have misinterpreted these as normal ways of saying, =
=E2=80=9CHi,=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CGoodbye.=E2=80=9D I guess that=E2=80=99=
s as close as a typical Klingon gets to saying these things, since =
it=E2=80=99s more common for a Klingon to express =E2=80=9CHi=E2=80=9D =
by making brief eye contact before either obviously leaving you alone or =
walking up to you to say something specific and direct. The preferred =
way of saying, =E2=80=9CGoodbye=E2=80=9D is to just leave.
But =E2=80=9CThank you,=E2=80=9D? I=E2=80=99ve never heard that a =
Klingon doesn=E2=80=99t say, =E2=80=9CThank you,=E2=80=9D when it=E2=80=99=
s appropriate. Of course, the standards of appropriate timing might be a =
little different for a Klingon, since honorable behavior is simply =
expected, and many of the things that a human might thank someone for =
is, for a Klingon, simply a matter of doing one=E2=80=99s duty as an =
honorable person.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 8:55 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I recently read that klingons do not say "thank you". So I wonder.. =
What does a Klingon say to express gratitude ?
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> What would he/she say in the place of "thank you" ?
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> cpt qunnoQ
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">The language has the verb {tlho=E2=80=99}, so =
clearly Klingons CAN say {qatlho=E2=80=99} and here, many speakers have =
done so. It doesn=E2=80=99t tend to happen a lot.</div><div class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It would help to know WHERE you read =
that Klingons don=E2=80=99t say, =E2=80=9CThank you.=E2=80=9D I read =
somewhere that the world is flat. Having something written doesn=E2=80=99t=
make it true. Show us the authority of the source.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It is true that Klingons =
don=E2=80=99t say, =E2=80=9CHello,=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CGoodbye=E2=80=9D. =
They don=E2=80=99t have words for that. They basically tend to leave =
each other alone, unless they have something meaningful to say, and then =
they just SAY it. They don=E2=80=99t need to just confirm the obvious =
that =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m here and you are here and thus, we should say =
something meaningless in order to establish communication between us,=E2=80=
=9D a.k.a. =E2=80=9CHi=E2=80=9D. Or =E2=80=9CI=E2=80=99m leaving now, so =
I need to make you aware of that, just in case you haven=E2=80=99t =
noticed and perhaps you think our communication is incomplete, I want to =
make sure to prompt you to finish saying anything you had to say to me =
before you lose that opportunity,=E2=80=9D a.k.a =
=E2=80=9CGoodbye.=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">If you walk up to a Klingon as if you were going to say =
something, but you don=E2=80=99t say anything, he or she will likely =
become suspicious and say, {nuqneH!}, basically to give you the =
opportunity to state a reason for him or her to not hit you to make you =
back off to a more comfortable distance, and if a commander does want to =
let his troops recognize that he=E2=80=99s finished assigning them a =
mission and it=E2=80=99s time for them to go off and do it, he=E2=80=99s =
likely to say {Qapla=E2=80=99!}</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Humans seem to have misinterpreted =
these as normal ways of saying, =E2=80=9CHi,=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9CGoodbye=
.=E2=80=9D I guess that=E2=80=99s as close as a typical Klingon gets to =
saying these things, since it=E2=80=99s more common for a Klingon to =
express =E2=80=9CHi=E2=80=9D by making brief eye contact before either =
obviously leaving you alone or walking up to you to say something =
specific and direct. The preferred way of saying, =E2=80=9CGoodbye=E2=80=9D=
is to just leave.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">But =E2=80=9CThank you,=E2=80=9D? I=E2=80=99ve never heard =
that a Klingon doesn=E2=80=99t say, =E2=80=9CThank you,=E2=80=9D when =
it=E2=80=99s appropriate. Of course, the standards of appropriate timing =
might be a little different for a Klingon, since honorable behavior is =
simply expected, and many of the things that a human might thank someone =
for is, for a Klingon, simply a matter of doing one=E2=80=99s duty as an =
honorable person.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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class=3D"">On Nov 13, 2015, at 8:55 AM, qunnoQ HoD <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class=3D"">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D"">I recently read that klingons do =
not say "thank you". So I wonder.. What does a Klingon say to express =
gratitude ?<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">What =
would he/she say in the place of "thank you" ?<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">cpt qunnoQ<br class=3D""></div><br =
class=3D""></div>
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