[102240] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] rup
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Thu Nov 12 10:12:22 2015
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 17:12:08 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
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> Which class does Data belong too?
ok,this is *the* question ! I don't see a way,one could objectively decide.
It depends on the individual person's views about who is human,and who
isn't. My personal choice in sorting this out,would be as follows :
- if someone has a soul then use {-pu'}
- if something doesn't have a soul then use {-mey}
..of course this is just my personal opinion,as an orthodox christian who
believes in life after death,the human soul etc etc. If we excluded the
religious criteria though,then yes I believe that the way to go is who can
speak,and who can't.
Think of this though.. Can a dog speak ? One would say no.. (I would say no
too). But when your dog barks to alert you that something is wrong,then who
can really say,that it isn't actually "speaking" ? But then you will ask me
"why don't you accept that dogs have a soul too ?"
Anyway,this gets way too complicated and would be a very nice topic to
discuss in a mailing list concerning religion/spirituality etc..
What is though a nice topic of discussion in this list is the following :
A Klingon vessel encounters aliens who DON'T speak. They DON'T use words.
They telepathically feel each others wishes/intentions etc. Or they use
colors to communicate. What would Klingons use ? {-pu'} or {-mey} ?
..for what is worth (if i understand how this phrase is to be used in
english) I always considered Data a machine. However I was pissed and
sad,to see that eventually it was destroyed.
cpt qunnoQ
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:36 PM, David Holt <kenjutsuka@live.com> wrote:
> ghItlh Quvar:
>
> > English people even refer to their pets as he or she, but only if they
> > have personal contact. In German, the animal's gender is always used
> > correctly, not matter how personal the contact is.
>
> Hoch Ha'DIbaH 'uSDu' jojDaq 'oHtaHbogh 'ay''e' DatobnIS 'e' qay'be''a'?
>
> janSIy
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>> Which cl=
ass does Data belong too?<br><br></div>ok,this is *the* question ! I don=
9;t see a way,one could objectively decide. It depends on the individual pe=
rson's views about who is human,and who isn't. My personal choice i=
n sorting this out,would be as follows :<br><br></div>- if someone has a so=
ul then use {-pu'}<br></div>- if something doesn't have a soul then=
use {-mey}<br><br></div>..of course this is just my personal opinion,as an=
orthodox christian who believes in life after death,the human soul etc etc=
. If we excluded the religious criteria though,then yes I believe that the =
way to go is who can speak,and who can't.<br><br></div>Think of this th=
ough.. Can a dog speak ? One would say no.. (I would say no too). But when =
your dog barks to alert you that something is wrong,then who can really say=
,that it isn't actually "speaking" ? But then you will ask me=
"why don't you accept that dogs have a soul too ?"<br></div>=
Anyway,this gets way too complicated and would be a very nice topic to disc=
uss in a mailing list concerning religion/spirituality etc..<br><br></div>W=
hat is though a nice topic of discussion in this list is the following :<br=
><br></div>A Klingon vessel encounters aliens who DON'T speak. They DON=
'T use words. They telepathically feel each others wishes/intentions et=
c. Or they use colors to communicate. What would Klingons use ? {-pu'} =
or {-mey} ?<br><br></div><div>..for what is worth (if i understand how this=
phrase is to be used in english) I always considered Data a machine. Howev=
er I was pissed and sad,to see that eventually it was destroyed.<br></div><=
div><br></div>cpt qunnoQ<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 4:36 PM, David Holt <span dir=3D"l=
tr"><<a href=3D"mailto:kenjutsuka@live.com" target=3D"_blank">kenjutsuka=
@live.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">ghItlh Q=
uvar:<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
> English people even refer to their pets as he or she, but only if they=
<br>
> have personal contact. In German, the animal's gender is always us=
ed<br>
> correctly, not matter how personal the contact is.<br>
<br>
</span>Hoch Ha'DIbaH 'uSDu' jojDaq 'oHtaHbogh 'ay'&=
#39;e' DatobnIS 'e' qay'be''a'?<br>
<br>
janSIy<br>
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