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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qa'vam?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Tue Nov 10 10:34:30 2015
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 10:33:47 -0500
To: Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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De'vam DangeHmo', qatlho'. mu'ghomwIjvaD vIchel.
qurgh
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu>
wrote:
> *{qa'vam}* Genesis (planet) (GN):
>
> * qa'vam De' vIje' rIntaH *
>
> I have purchased the Genesis Data. ST3
>
> * qa'vam yuQ Quv DaghojmeH Duyma'vaD yIjatlh. *
>
> [*To learn the Genesis Planet's coordinates, speak to our agent*.] (ST3
> DVD case)
>
>
>
> *{qa'vam jan}* the Genesis Device (n):
>
> * qa'vam jan SeH DIvI'. *
>
> [*The Federation controls the Genesis Device*.] (ST3 DVD case)
>
> *qa'vam jan yISuq. *
>
> [*Acquire the Genesis Device*!] (ST3 DVD case)
>
>
>
> Okrand expanded on {qa=E2=80=99vam} back in March:
>
>
>
> The Big Bang - meaning the start of the universe - is, as you
>
> once hypothesized, {*qa'vam}*, the word used by Klingons for the
>
> Genesis device. {*qa'vam}* is perhaps best defined as "origin of
>
> everything" or "start of it all" or the like. Maltz said you
>
> could say {*qa'vam nger}* "Big Bang Theory," but he thought that
>
> was weird - the start of it all isn't a theory, he said - it's
>
> just the start of it all. If one thinks the start of it all was
>
> a big explosion and that's a theory, then {*qa'vam nger}* could
>
> mean "the theory of how everything began," but the Klingon phrase
>
> doesn't contain the notion of explosion. For the TV Show =E2=80=93 whe=
ther
>
> to translate it or use the English - that's up to you.
>
> (MO to De'vID, 3/2015 [FOTSN/FFN])
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* qurgh lungqIj [mailto:qurgh@wizage.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:10 AM
>
> Isn't {qa'vam} the name of the Device from Star Trek III?
>
>
>
> We don't really know much beyond that, so I'd have a hard time using it a=
s
> anything than a proper noun. It could mean anything, like maybe "planet
> destroying", since the Klingons saw it as a potential weapon and less so =
as
> a life creating device.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Michael Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> How would y'all use {qa'vam}?
>
> Can I use it as a time stamp?
>
>
>
> ~naHQun
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">De'vam DangeHmo', qatlho'. mu'ghomwIjvaD v=
Ichel.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>qurgh =C2=A0<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Steven Boo=
zer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target=3D=
"_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">
<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">{qa'vam}</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Genesis<b>
</b>(planet) (GN):</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"=
"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 qa'vam De' vIje' =
rIntaH <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier">I have purchased the Genesis Data. ST3<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0qa'vam yuQ Quv Dagho=
jmeH Duyma'vaD yIjatlh.
<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier">[<i>To learn the Genesis Planet's coordinates,=
speak to our agent</i>.] (ST3 DVD case)</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:Courier"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">{qa'vam jan}</span></b><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0the=C2=A0 Genesis<b>
</b>Device (n):<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0qa'vam jan SeH DIvI&=
#39;. <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier">[<i>The Federation controls the Genesis Device</i>=
.] (ST3 DVD case)<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0<b>qa'vam jan yISuq. <u></u><=
u></u></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></b><span style=
=3D"font-family:Courier">[<i>Acquire the Genesis Device</i>!] (ST3 DVD case=
)
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
Okrand expanded on {qa=E2=80=99vam} back in March:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Big Bang - meaning the start of the universe - is, as you<=
u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0once hypothesized, {<b>qa'vam}</b>, the word used by Kling=
ons for the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Genesis device. {<b>qa'vam}</b> is perhaps best defined as=
"origin of<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0everything" or "start of it all" or the like. M=
altz said you<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0could say {<b><span style=3D"color:red">qa'vam nger}</span=
></b> "Big Bang Theory," but he thought that<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0was weird - the start of it all isn't a theory, he said - =
it's<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0just the start of it all. If one thinks the start of it all wa=
s<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0a big explosion and that's a theory, then {<b><span style=
=3D"color:red">qa'vam nger}</span></b> could<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0mean "the theory of how everything began," but the K=
lingon phrase<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0doesn't contain the notion of explosion. For the TV Show =
=E2=80=93 whether<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to translate it or use the English - that's up to you.<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0(MO to De'vID, 3/2015 [FOTSN/FFN])<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.2in;line-height:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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4.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> qurgh lungqIj [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:qurgh@wizage.net" target=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 10, 2015 9:10 AM<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</div><span class=3D"">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Isn't {qa'vam} the name of the Device from S=
tar Trek III?=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We don't really know much beyond that, so I'=
d have a hard time using it as anything than a proper noun. It could mean a=
nything, like maybe "planet destroying", since the Klingons saw i=
t as a potential weapon and less so as a life creating
device.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</span><div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:09 PM, Michael Roney, Jr. =
<<a href=3D"mailto:nahqun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nahqun@gmail.com<=
/a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><span class=3D"">
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">How would y'all use {qa'vam}?<u></u><u></u><=
/p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Can I use it as a time stamp?<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">~naHQun<span style=3D"color:#888888"><br clear=3D"al=
l">
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</span></div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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