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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Beginner's Grammarian: The hunt is on
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Karen Alessio)
Mon Nov 9 22:39:01 2015
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:38:41 -0500
From: Karen Alessio <karenalessio@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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is there also a Facebook group for people learning tlhIngan Hol? I ask
since it was just mentioned....
On Nov 9, 2015 10:34 PM, "Rohan Fenwick" <qeslagh@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ghItlhpu' qurgh, bIjatlh:
> > One of the reason the old BG line was broken, was that there wasn't
> > enough traffic on the list to warrant a new BG.
>
> I know. Things change, though, and recently they seem to have changed
> fairly substantially and for the better.
>
> taH:
> > While the recent uptick in activity due to qunnoQ and the new words
> > has been great, is it really enough to warrant a new BG?
>
> (poD vay')
>
> It's not just qunnoQ. It's Karen, and 'aQroS, and Chelsea, and perhaps
> others who haven't stuck their hands up yet. I'm actually surprised it's as
> *high* as 308 (or 170, if you want to use that metric); there are maybe
> twenty or thirty who post on a regular basis, and even accounting for the
> old hands who might still be getting the list traffic, that still leaves
> quite a lot of people. Four beginners have stuck their hands up in the last
> month, qunnoQ posting regularly, Karen a couple times a week. That's
> enough, for my part. Hell, I fervently believe that one is enough. We're
> not such a big community that we can afford to talk about scale of demand.
> If there's even one beginner who is dedicated enough to post to the list,
> surely there must be even one intermediate speaker who can assist them as
> BG, and have the opportunity to develop their own skills as a Klingon
> language speaker (and teacher) in the process.
>
> Even just in general, the list is also much more active now than it was
> back in the late 2000s - there was a while there where all traffic, not
> just beginners, dropped close to zero. The recent Star Trek movies have
> done some to help put Klingon back in the public eye, and if we can ride
> the Abrams wave for a little while longer, we may be able to draw more.
>
> taH:
> > Perhaps we can do something different. Instead of having the intermediate
> > speakers use the new students to improve their understanding, we could
> > have the advance speakers/Grammarians help pull the intermediate
> > speakers up.
>
> The initial idea motivating the creation of the BG position was to foster
> and encourage beginners. The fact that serving as BG is a brilliant way to
> improve one's own Hol is a side benefit, of sorts. I do like your idea
> about having the advanced speakers working to pull the intermediate ones up
> in a more systematic way, and that's something I think we definitely should
> explore. I'd be keen to participate in such a system. But at the same time,
> having an "instead of" focus on advanced speakers teaching intermediate
> speakers will result in the few beginners we do have being left behind.
> That's emphatically bad for our community.
>
> taH:
> > While the BG role has been very important in the past, perhaps we should
> > look at other ways to use the list in lieu of new students.
>
> I can't agree that anything "in lieu of" is a good approach to take. We
> need to be thinking "as well as". The growth in the Facebook community is
> fantastic and beyond anything I'd imagined; we definitely need to think
> some more about how to develop the community there, too. But the list still
> lives, relatively small though it may be, and is still frequented by
> beginners, relatively few though they may be. We need to continue making
> our resources available on every front we're humanly capable of.
>
> QeS 'utlh
>
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<p dir=3D"ltr">is there also a Facebook group for people learning tlhIngan =
Hol? I ask since it was just mentioned....</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Nov 9, 2015 10:34 PM, "Rohan Fenwick&quo=
t; <<a href=3D"mailto:qeslagh@hotmail.com">qeslagh@hotmail.com</a>> w=
rote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir=3D"ltr">ghItlhpu' qurgh, bIjatlh:<br>> One of the reas=
on the old BG line was broken, was that there wasn't<br>> enough tra=
ffic on the list to warrant a new BG.<br><br>I know. Things change, though,=
and recently they seem to have changed fairly substantially and for the be=
tter.<br><br>taH:<br>> While the recent uptick in activity due to qunnoQ=
and the new words<br>> has been great, is it really enough to warrant a=
new BG?<br><br>(poD vay')<br><br>It's not just qunnoQ. It's Ka=
ren, and 'aQroS, and Chelsea, and perhaps others who haven't stuck =
their hands up yet. I'm actually surprised it's as *high* as 308 (o=
r 170, if you want to use that metric); there are maybe twenty or thirty wh=
o post on a regular basis, and even accounting for the old hands who might =
still be getting the list traffic, that still leaves quite a lot of people.=
Four beginners have stuck their hands up in the last month, qunnoQ posting=
regularly, Karen a couple times a week. That's enough, for my part. He=
ll, I fervently believe that one is enough. We're not such a big commun=
ity that we can afford to talk about scale of demand. If there's even o=
ne beginner who is dedicated enough to post to the list, surely there must =
be even one intermediate speaker who can assist them as BG, and have the op=
portunity to develop their own skills as a Klingon language speaker (and te=
acher) in the process.<br><br>Even just in general, the list is also much m=
ore active now than it was back in the late 2000s - there was a while there=
where all traffic, not just beginners, dropped close to zero. The recent S=
tar Trek movies have done some to help put Klingon back in the public eye, =
and if we can ride the Abrams wave for a little while longer, we may be abl=
e to draw more.<br><br><div><div dir=3D"ltr">taH:<br>> Perhaps we can do=
something different. Instead of having the intermediate<br>> speakers u=
se the new students to improve their understanding, we could<br>> have t=
he advance speakers/Grammarians help pull the intermediate<br>> speakers=
up.<br><br>The initial idea motivating the creation of the BG position was=
to foster and encourage beginners. The fact that serving as BG is a brilli=
ant way to improve one's own Hol is a side benefit, of sorts. I do like=
your idea about having the advanced speakers working to pull the intermedi=
ate ones up in a more systematic way, and that's something I think we d=
efinitely should explore. I'd be keen to participate in such a system. =
But at the same time, having an "instead of" focus on advanced sp=
eakers teaching intermediate speakers will result in the few beginners we d=
o have being left behind. That's emphatically bad for our community.<br=
><br><div>taH:<br>> While the BG role has been very important in the pas=
t, perhaps we should<br>> look at other ways to use the list in lieu of=
=C2=A0new students.<br><br>I can't agree that anything "in lieu of=
" is a good approach to take. We need to be thinking "as well as&=
quot;. The growth in the Facebook community is fantastic and beyond anythin=
g I'd imagined; we definitely need to think some more about how to deve=
lop the community there, too. But the list still lives, relatively small th=
ough it may be, and is still frequented by beginners, relatively few though=
they may be. We need to continue making our resources available on every f=
ront we're humanly capable of.<br></div><div><br></div>QeS 'utlh<br=
></div></div> </div></div>
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