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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Concerning the purpose clauses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Mon Nov 9 11:14:49 2015
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 18:14:34 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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thank you all very much,for trying to make things clearer ; you're very
helpful and I'm really grateful !
..but unfortunately I'm drifting way deeper into the nebula,a nebula which
is getting even darker.. I just can't understand this. It is not that I
haven't studied the verb prefixes ; I just can't seem to get the "feel" of
how {-meH} is to be used.
the only way this can be fixed,is for me to fire thrusters,so that my
position will be seen and then someone hopefully fire a tractor beam,thus
pulling me out of this jay' nebula..
meaning that I will try writing some sentences using the {-meH}, hoping
that someone will correct me,and finally come to understand the mystery of
{-meH}. but I will write these sentences tomorrow,because right now my mind
is tired and I just need to sleep in my ready room. After all its so quite
and peaceful, drifting in this dark nebula..
cpt qunnoQ
On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:20 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
> On 11/9/2015 8:58 AM, Will Martin wrote:
>
> Is there a similar slot for dependent clauses? Are we limited to one?
>> We=E2=80=99ve been shown that there is no single slot for adverbials; we=
can
>> have more than one. If we are allowed to use multiple Type 9 dependent
>> clauses, would they require a conjunction between them? If we are
>> required to use a conjunction, would that still be the case if one
>> clause preceded the main clause and the other followed it?
>>
>
> I would expect that dependent clauses with the same type 9 suffix would
> require a conjunction between them, but that this would not necessarily b=
e
> true between clauses with different suffixes. This is, however, based
> entirely on my own experience with English, so I would not try to enforce
> this.
>
> So'Ha'chugh Duj 'ej ghoSchugh yIQaw'
> if the ship uncloaks and if it approaches, destroy it!
>
> wa'maH cha'logh Qoylu'pu'DI' tawDaq qaleghchugh qaHoH
> at noon if I see you on the street I'll kill you
>
> I imagine that using dependent clauses on both sides of the main clause
> would be as grammatically acceptable and stylistically deplorable as it
> would be in English:
>
> bISo'Ha'chugh qaQaw' choghoSchugh
> if you uncloak I'll destroy you if you approach me
>
> But I could see it working with different suffixes:
>
> narghDI' Duj yIQaw' pu'DaH tI'lu'pu'chugh
> when the ship appears destroy it if the phaser banks have been repaired
>
> --
> SuStel
> http://trimboli.name
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>thank you all very much,for trying to make =
things clearer ; you're very helpful and I'm really grateful !<br><=
br></div>..but unfortunately I'm drifting way deeper into the nebula,a =
nebula which is getting even darker..=C2=A0 I just can't understand thi=
s. It is not that I haven't studied the verb prefixes ; I just can'=
t seem to get the "feel" of how {-meH} is to be used.<br><br></di=
v>the only way this can be fixed,is for me to fire thrusters,so that my pos=
ition will be seen and then someone hopefully fire a tractor beam,thus pull=
ing me out of this jay' nebula..<br>=C2=A0<br></div><div>meaning that I=
will try writing some sentences using the {-meH}, hoping that someone will=
correct me,and finally come to understand the mystery of {-meH}. but I wil=
l write these sentences tomorrow,because right now my mind is tired and I j=
ust need to sleep in my ready room. After all its so quite and peaceful, dr=
ifting in this dark nebula.. <br><br></div><div>cpt qunnoQ<br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><div><br></div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 4:20 PM, SuStel <span dir=
=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target=3D"_blank">sust=
el@trimboli.name</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><s=
pan class=3D"">On 11/9/2015 8:58 AM, Will Martin wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Is there a similar slot for dependent clauses? Are we limited to one?<br>
We=E2=80=99ve been shown that there is no single slot for adverbials; we ca=
n<br>
have more than one. If we are allowed to use multiple Type 9 dependent<br>
clauses, would they require a conjunction between them? If we are<br>
required to use a conjunction, would that still be the case if one<br>
clause preceded the main clause and the other followed it?<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
I would expect that dependent clauses with the same type 9 suffix would req=
uire a conjunction between them, but that this would not necessarily be tru=
e between clauses with different suffixes. This is, however, based entirely=
on my own experience with English, so I would not try to enforce this.<br>
<br>
So'Ha'chugh Duj 'ej ghoSchugh yIQaw'<br>
if the ship uncloaks and if it approaches, destroy it!<br>
<br>
wa'maH cha'logh Qoylu'pu'DI' tawDaq qaleghchugh qaHoH<b=
r>
at noon if I see you on the street I'll kill you<br>
<br>
I imagine that using dependent clauses on both sides of the main clause wou=
ld be as grammatically acceptable and stylistically deplorable as it would =
be in English:<br>
<br>
bISo'Ha'chugh qaQaw' choghoSchugh<br>
if you uncloak I'll destroy you if you approach me<br>
<br>
But I could see it working with different suffixes:<br>
<br>
narghDI' Duj yIQaw' pu'DaH tI'lu'pu'chugh<br>
when the ship appears destroy it if the phaser banks have been repaired<spa=
n class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
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//trimboli.name</a></font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><b=
r>
<br>
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