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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] How many grammarians ?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Mon Nov 9 09:24:45 2015

From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
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When I went to the one qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 that wasn=E2=80=99t in the =
US, there were Germans there who, while they could speak English, =
communicated with me in Klingon apparently because they considered their =
Klingon to be better than their English, and, well, I can count in =
German and know a few words, but I=E2=80=99ve never had a lesson in its =
use.

It=E2=80=99s possible to read English well enough to make it through The =
Klingon Dictionary (TKD), perhaps supplemented by the German edition =
(which apparently is rife with really bad German translations of the =
English glosses), all without having a useful, conversational grasp of =
English. I read and write Klingon far better than I speak it or =
understand it when listening to it.

The Germans preferred to use Quvar valer =E2=80=98utlh as a translator =
while they spoke German when communicating with English speakers rather =
than speak English, and when he wasn=E2=80=99t around, they spoke =
Klingon to us. That=E2=80=99s my evidence that their English must not =
have been that conversational.

I guess it=E2=80=99s possible that they were fluent in English and just =
saw this as an opportunity to speak Klingon, while they didn=E2=80=99t =
consider speaking English something that needed an opportunity, but =
that=E2=80=99s not how I interpreted it at the time.

Quvar valer =E2=80=98utlh turned to me at the end of our week there and =
remarked that he just realized that he had been speaking French to the =
locals in Brussels, German to the Germans, English to the Brits and =
Americans, and Klingon to everyone, but hadn=E2=80=99t spoken any of his =
native Flemish all week.

pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv



> On Nov 9, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Anthony Appleyard =
<a.appleyard@btinternet.com> wrote:
>=20
> Have there been any examples where two people (in writing, or in =
talking) have had to communicate in Klingon because it was the only =
language which both knew well?
> ----Original message----
> =46rom : elizabeth.lawrence08@gmail.com
> Date : 09/11/2015 - 12:34 (GMTST)
>=20
> > ... Nonetheless, I've seen Marc interpret occasionally ...
> > where he's speaking English and others are speaking Klingon. ...
>=20
>=20
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">When I went to the one qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 =
that wasn=E2=80=99t in the US, there were Germans there who, while they =
could speak English, communicated with me in Klingon apparently because =
they considered their Klingon to be better than their English, and, =
well, I can count in German and know a few words, but I=E2=80=99ve never =
had a lesson in its use.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">It=E2=80=99s possible to read English well enough to make it =
through The Klingon Dictionary (TKD), perhaps supplemented by the German =
edition (which apparently is rife with really bad German translations of =
the English glosses), all without having a useful, conversational grasp =
of English. I read and write Klingon far better than I speak it or =
understand it when listening to it.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The Germans preferred to use Quvar =
valer =E2=80=98utlh as a translator while they spoke German when =
communicating with English speakers rather than speak English, and when =
he wasn=E2=80=99t around, they spoke Klingon to us. That=E2=80=99s my =
evidence that their English must not have been that =
conversational.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I guess it=E2=80=99s possible that they were fluent in =
English and just saw this as an opportunity to speak Klingon, while they =
didn=E2=80=99t consider speaking English something that needed an =
opportunity, but that=E2=80=99s not how I interpreted it at the =
time.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Quvar =
valer =E2=80=98utlh turned to me at the end of our week there and =
remarked that he just realized that he had been speaking French to the =
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Nov 9, 2015, at 7:48 AM, Anthony Appleyard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:a.appleyard@btinternet.com" =
class=3D"">a.appleyard@btinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Have there been any =
examples where two people (in writing, or in talking) have had to =
communicate in Klingon because it was the only language which both knew =
well?<br class=3D""><blockquote style=3D"margin-right: 0px; =
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m : <a href=3D"mailto:elizabeth.lawrence08@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">elizabeth.lawrence08@gmail.com</a><br class=3D"">Date : =
09/11/2015 - 12:34 (GMTST)<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">&gt; ... =
Nonetheless, I've seen Marc interpret occasionally ...<br class=3D"">&gt; =
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] How many grammarians ?

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)Mon Nov 9 09:24:45 2015

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Mon Nov 9 09:24:45 2015
