[102070] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Concerning the purpose clauses
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (SuStel)
Mon Nov 9 08:22:50 2015
To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
From: SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 08:22:21 -0500
In-Reply-To: <CAP7F2cKuG2Y8BeG9Qz7Xc+yjw=jChPi9YtaUB8Z6Xu5B0=sNwA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 11/9/2015 5:57 AM, qunnoQ HoD wrote:
>
> why do we say {ja'chuqmeH rojHom neH jagh la'} instead of {rojHom
> ja'chuqmeH neH jagh la'} ?
The {-chuq} suffix means that the subject and object of the verb are the
same; therefore the thing discussed can't be the object.
> 2. jagh luHoHmeH jagh lunejtaH They are searching for the enemy in order
> to kill him/her.
>
> could we say {jagh luHoHtaHmeH jagh lunejtaH} meaning <<they are
> searching for the enemy,for the purpose of killing him>> ?
It means something different. The original means they are continuously
searching in order to kill; yours means they are searching in order to
continuously kill.
> 3. the definition of a purpose clause is verb plus {-meH},or verb plus
> {-meH} plus noun,or noun plus verb plus {-meH} ?
It can be any of those. We've seen {-meH} verbs in a sort of infinitive
state, where they have no subject (or object), but they still modify a
head noun. For instance, {ghojmeH taj} "child's knife" (literally "knife
for learning); {taj} is not the subject of {ghojmeH} because the knife
does not learn.
On the other hand, the sentence you quoted from TKD is an example of a
{-meH} clause with both a subject and an object.
> HQ 7.3, p.6, Sept. 1998 (as i read in boQwI') would certainly come in
> handy right now.. Just to think that there is a HolQeD article
> explaining all this -an article I cannot have- makes feel like a dog
> whose food is placed just where its leash ends !
The article isn't about this question; it's about sentences like {QIpmeH
Qatlh'a'} "difficult to hit?" which seem not to make sense (it seems to
mean something like "is it being difficult so that I hit it?"). The
author's (lojmIt tI'wI' nuv) solution is to reform the sentence along
the lines of {Qatlh'a' QIpmeH Qu'} "is the task of hitting difficult?"
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SuStel
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