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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] How many grammarians ?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Mon Nov 9 06:11:07 2015
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 21:10:49 +1000
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ghItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv=2C jatlh:
> He was the first human to speak Klingon. He did so before Okrand could
> speak it.
jang qunnoQ=2C jatlh:
> how is this possible ? I always thought Okrand has/had the maximum skill =
in
> klingon (written and conversational) anyone could ever achieve.. After al=
l
> -by definition- every klingonist out there=2C from beginner to grammarian=
=2C is
> Okrand's student.
Many linguists who study specific languages are like this. It's what makes =
the difference between a linguist of a language=2C and a speaker of a langu=
age. A linguist may specialise in a language's structure=2C know everything=
there is to know about how the verb conjugates=2C or how many noun cases t=
here are=2C or whether the adpositions go before or after the noun. But bei=
ng able to speak the language in real time is a very different set of skill=
s. You need to summon up the words and structures more or less on demand as=
you need them=2C on an almost subconscious level rather than using conscio=
us recall. It takes a lot of practice and a different kind of familiarity w=
ith the language.
Nonetheless=2C I've seen Marc interpret occasionally for people on the vow =
at qep'a'=2C and participate in conversations (over ghem at Denny's=2C most=
ly...) where he's speaking English and others are speaking Klingon. His pas=
sive skills with the language in real time are still impressive=3B not many=
are capable of interpreting live Klingon.
QeS 'utlh
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' lojmIt tI'wI' nuv=2C j=
atlh:<br><div>>=3B He was the first human to speak Klingon. He did so bef=
ore Okrand could<br>>=3B speak it.<br><br>jang qunnoQ=2C jatlh:<br>>=3B=
how is this possible ? I always thought Okrand has/had the maximum skill i=
n<br>>=3B klingon (written and conversational) anyone could ever achieve.=
. After all<br>>=3B -by definition- every klingonist out there=2C from be=
ginner to grammarian=2C is<br>>=3B Okrand's student.<br><br>Many linguist=
s who study specific languages are like this. It's what makes the differenc=
e between a linguist of a language=2C and a speaker of a language. A lingui=
st may specialise in a language's structure=2C know everything there is to =
know about how the verb conjugates=2C or how many noun cases there are=2C o=
r whether the adpositions go before or after the noun. But being able to sp=
eak the language in real time is a very different set of skills. You need t=
o summon up the words and structures more or less on demand as you need the=
m=2C on an almost subconscious level rather than using conscious recall. It=
takes a lot of practice and a different kind of familiarity with the langu=
age.<br><br>Nonetheless=2C I've seen Marc interpret occasionally for people=
on the vow at qep'a'=2C and participate in conversations (over ghem at Den=
ny's=2C mostly...) where he's speaking English and others are speaking Klin=
gon. His passive skills with the language in real time are still impressive=
=3B not many are capable of interpreting live Klingon.<br><br>QeS 'utlh<br>=
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