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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tlhIngan cursing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fiat Knox)
Sun Nov 8 16:17:09 2015
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 21:16:51 +0000 (UTC)
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For all we know, what Klingons consider curse words could well be acceptabl=
e idioms to us.Hu'tegh=C2=A0could well be how one could describe the discov=
ery of a tribble nursery, and=C2=A0Qovpatlh=C2=A0could well be Today is=C2=
=A0a day of sweet rainbows and fluffy clouds. A toDSaH=C2=A0could well be s=
omeone who goes out of his way to help others, but we know that a taHqeq's =
lies are despicable, which is why it is so insulting to call someone that -=
perhaps nice guy=C2=A0could be the translation for that.=20
On Friday, 6 November 2015, 18:26, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
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interesting information !
..and since we are on the subject of cursing,I would like to take the oppor=
tunity and say that my two favorite klingon curses are
1. Hab SoSlI' Quch
2. verengan Ha'DIbaH
although I would never say the "your mother has a smooth forehead",because =
I believe that anyone's mother is a sacred figure not to be insulted under =
any circumstances..
on the other hand though,the ''ferengi dog'' is one of the most beautiful t=
hings to say to someone who pisses you off ! it is a short phrase,said easi=
ly when angered,and it somehow "flows out'' of your lips.. it can also be s=
aid either with extreme anger,or with a slow,nearly silent contemptuous voi=
ce. it's perfect !
cpt qunnoQ
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:38 PM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
If I recall correctly, most of the Klingon curses are just gibberish from t=
he shows, especially the epithets, and MO just transliterated them into Kli=
ngon spelling.=20
There's been a few attempts at "folk etymologies" for the curse words, base=
d on similar-sounding words, but nothing definitely authoritative. Maltz th=
inks the word {taHqeq} is related to the expression {bItaHrup'a'} "Do you w=
ant to continue?", which is used defiantly before escalating an argument to=
the next level (punches or curse warfare). And I think one of the footnote=
s in paq'batlh suggests that {petaQ} is derived from {petaQ} meaning "you (=
plural) be weird!", though I think that footnote was not written by Okrand =
himself. I think there may also be some reluctance on Okrand's part to get =
too deep into the R-rated language, so there's no definite association to a=
ctual objectionable topics.
For the most part I think you can just translate the curse words to the nea=
rest equivalent in the given language based on the context it's been used i=
n before. {petaQ}, for instance, seems to be roughly equivalent to "asshole=
, dumbass, bastard", and I think {ghuy'} was translated as "Damn!" in a lin=
e written for Star Trek 5.
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:46 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
I was just reading the tlhIngan epithets and general invectives on the subj=
ect of cursing. I read the following epithets {petaQ,toDSaH,taHqeq,yIntagh,=
Qovpatlh} and the invectives (va'/Qu'vatlh, ghay'cha', baQa', Hu'tegh, QI'y=
aH, ghuy'cha')
I didn't see anywhere though,any given meaning or translation of the aforem=
entioned epithets/invectives..
does this mean that all these epithets/invectives cannot be translated ?
cpt. qunnoQ
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
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px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1447017009522_2840"><span id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14=
47017009522_2948">For all we know, what Klingons consider curse words could=
well be acceptable idioms to us.</span></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_14470=
17009522_2840" dir=3D"ltr"><b>Hu'tegh</b> could well be how one could =
describe the discovery of a tribble nursery, and <b id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1=
_1447017009522_3042">Qovpatlh</b> could well be <i id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_=
1447017009522_3075">Today is a day of sweet rainbows and fluffy clouds=
</i>. A <b>toDSaH</b> could well be <i id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_144701700952=
2_3076">someone who goes out of his way to help others</i>, but we know tha=
t a <b>taHqeq</b>'s lies are despicable, which is why it is so insulting to=
call someone that - perhaps <i>nice guy</i> could be the translation =
for that.</div> <br><div class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class=
=3D"yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display: block;"> <div style=3D"font-family: Cou=
rier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div s=
tyle=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucid=
a Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2"=
face=3D"Arial"> On Friday, 6 November 2015, 18:26, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@=
gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2=
px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left:=
5px;"> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv2748084470">=
<div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>interesting information=
!<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>..and since we are on the sub=
ject of cursing,I would like to take the opportunity and say that my two fa=
vorite klingon curses are<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>1. Hab=
SoSlI' Quch<br clear=3D"none"></div>2. verengan Ha'DIbaH<br clear=3D"none"=
><br clear=3D"none"></div>although I would never say the "your mother has a=
smooth forehead",because I believe that anyone's mother is a sacred figure=
not to be insulted under any circumstances..<br clear=3D"none"></div>on th=
e other hand though,the ''ferengi dog'' is one of the most beautiful things=
to say to someone who pisses you off ! it is a short phrase,said easily wh=
en angered,and it somehow "flows out'' of your lips.. it can also be said e=
ither with extreme anger,or with a slow,nearly silent contemptuous voice. i=
t's perfect !<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>cpt qunnoQ<br clea=
r=3D"none"></div><div class=3D"yiv2748084470gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"=
><div class=3D"yiv2748084470yqt1725314072" id=3D"yiv2748084470yqtfd57672"><=
div class=3D"yiv2748084470gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:38 PM, nIqo=
lay Q <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"m=
ailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.c=
om">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><blockquote =
class=3D"yiv2748084470gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If I recall correctl=
y, most of the Klingon curses are just gibberish from the shows, especially=
the epithets, and MO just transliterated them into Klingon spelling. <br c=
lear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">There's been a few attempts at "folk etymo=
logies" for the curse words, based on similar-sounding words, but nothing d=
efinitely authoritative. Maltz thinks the word {taHqeq} is related to the e=
xpression {bItaHrup'a'} "Do you want to continue?", which is used defiantly=
before escalating an argument to the next level (punches or curse warfare)=
. And I think one of the footnotes in paq'batlh suggests that {petaQ} is de=
rived from {petaQ} meaning "you (plural) be weird!", though I think that fo=
otnote was not written by Okrand himself. I think there may also be some re=
luctance on Okrand's part to get too deep into the R-rated language, so the=
re's no definite association to actual objectionable topics.<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><br clear=3D"none"></div>For the most part I think you can just transla=
te the curse words to the nearest equivalent in the given language based on=
the context it's been used in before. {petaQ}, for instance, seems to be r=
oughly equivalent to "asshole, dumbass, bastard", and I think {ghuy'} was t=
ranslated as "Damn!" in a line written for Star Trek 5.<br clear=3D"none"><=
/div><div class=3D"yiv2748084470gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"none"><div class=
=3D"yiv2748084470gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"yiv2748084470h5">On Fri, N=
ov 6, 2015 at 10:46 AM, qunnoQ HoD <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" hre=
f=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br c=
lear=3D"none"></div></div><blockquote class=3D"yiv2748084470gmail_quote" st=
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><div class=3D"yiv2748084470h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I was =
just reading the tlhIngan epithets and general invectives on the subject of=
cursing. I read the following epithets {petaQ,toDSaH,taHqeq,yIntagh,Qovpat=
lh} and the invectives (va'/Qu'vatlh, ghay'cha', baQa', Hu'tegh, QI'yaH, gh=
uy'cha')<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>I didn't see anywhere t=
hough,any given meaning or translation of the aforementioned epithets/invec=
tives..<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"></div>does this mean that all =
these epithets/invectives cannot be translated ?<br clear=3D"none"><br clea=
r=3D"none"></div>cpt. qunnoQ<br clear=3D"none"></div></div>
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