[102001] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] roj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (De'vID)
Sat Nov 7 06:45:49 2015
In-Reply-To: <CALPi+eRu-TgTeL9QunS=bPzxLAfuBCORcxiUkEGABQWOkzPp-g@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:45:31 +0100
From: "De'vID" <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Errors-To: tlhingan-hol-bounces@kli.org
bI'reng:
>>> What do people think about this sentence?
>>> romuluSnganpu' rojlI' DIvI'.
>>> The Federation is making peace with the Romulans.
qurgh:
> [poD]
> Since I don't believe {roj} can take an object (it's "make peace" not "make
> peace with"), I'd translate the English phrase as:
>
> rojlI' DIvI' romuluSnganpu' je - The Federation and the Romulans are in the
> process of making peace.
Marc Okrand has said that you can't always tell whether a verb is
transitive or what its object is, based on the English definitions.
The example that he gave to illustrate this is {tlhIngan yIn DayIn}
"You live a Klingon life". It's not obvious from the definition that
{yIn} can take an object, but it can.
I'm fairly certain that the following is allowed:
{Hegh quv Hegh HoD} "The captain died an honourable death"
Note that {ghob}, which is defined as "fight, battle, do battle, wage
war" (not "do battle with" or "wage war against") can take an object:
{ghobchuq loDnI'pu'} "the brother fight one another" (here, the object
is the combatant)
{noH ghoblu'DI' yay quv law' Hoch quv puS} "in war, there is nothing
more honourable than victory" (here, the object is the individual war
which is fought)
I believe that {roj} can take an object, namely, the noun {roj}. I
think (but am not sure) that the following are possible sentences in
Klingon:
{rojHom luroj} "they made a truce"
{veS'a' luQoj 'e' lutIv tlhInganpu'} "Klingons enjoy initiating massive warfare"
Perhaps {roj} "make peace" works like {ghob} "wage war", and you can
say {rojchuq DIvI' romuluSnganpu' je}, but that would be speculation.
--
De'vID
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