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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] roj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qurgh lungqIj)
Fri Nov 6 13:48:23 2015
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From: qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 13:47:48 -0500
To: Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
Cc: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Brent Kesler <brent.of.all.people@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 6:37 AM, David Joslyn <gaerfindel@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>
>> What do people think about this sentence?
>> romuluSnganpu' rojlI' DIvI'.
>> The Federation is making peace with the Romulans.
>
>
>
>> Based on the English translation, I'd probably write it as {DIvi' rojlI'
>> romuloSnganpu'}
>>
>> quljIb
>>
>
>
> That looks like a reversal of my subject and object. Am I misreading this?
>
> bI'reng
>
No, you're not. Based on the English, and assuming {roj} can take an
object, then your original translation is closer to the English than
quljIb's reversed sentence.
Since I don't believe {roj} can take an object (it's "make peace" not "make
peace with"), I'd translate the English phrase as:
rojlI' DIvI' romuluSnganpu' je - The Federation and the Romulans are in
the process of making peace.
qurgh
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On F=
ri, Nov 6, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Brent Kesler <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:brent.of.all.people@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">brent.of.all.people@=
gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><span class=3D""><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 6:37 AM, David Joslyn <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:gaerfindel@hotmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gaerfindel=
@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(=
204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></div></div></blockquote></div><=
/div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)=
;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">What do pe=
ople think about this sentence?<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0romuluSnganpu' rojlI=
9; DIvI'.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0The Federation is making peace with the Romul=
ans.</blockquote></div></div></blockquote></span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,20=
4);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,8=
0)"><span style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)"></span></div></blockquote><div>=C2=
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8e=
x;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-styl=
e:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)"><span styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">Based on the English translation, I'd probabl=
y write it as {DIvi' rojlI' romuloSnganpu'}</span><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div><div>quljIb<br></div></div></div></blockquote>=
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0That looks like a reversal of my s=
ubject and object. Am I misreading this?</div><div><br></div><div>bI're=
ng</div></div></div></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, you're not. Based on the English, =
and assuming {roj} can take an object, then your original translation is cl=
oser to the English than quljIb's reversed sentence.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Since I don't believe {roj} can take an object (it's "m=
ake peace" not "make peace with"), I'd translate the Eng=
lish phrase as:<br><br>rojlI' DIvI' romuluSnganpu' je - The Fed=
eration and the Romulans are in =C2=A0the process of making peace.=C2=A0</d=
iv><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">qur=
gh</div></div>
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