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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tlhIngan cursing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Fri Nov 6 13:26:35 2015
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Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:26:20 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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interesting information !
..and since we are on the subject of cursing,I would like to take the
opportunity and say that my two favorite klingon curses are
1. Hab SoSlI' Quch
2. verengan Ha'DIbaH
although I would never say the "your mother has a smooth forehead",because
I believe that anyone's mother is a sacred figure not to be insulted under
any circumstances..
on the other hand though,the ''ferengi dog'' is one of the most beautiful
things to say to someone who pisses you off ! it is a short phrase,said
easily when angered,and it somehow "flows out'' of your lips.. it can also
be said either with extreme anger,or with a slow,nearly silent contemptuous
voice. it's perfect !
cpt qunnoQ
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:38 PM, nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I recall correctly, most of the Klingon curses are just gibberish from
> the shows, especially the epithets, and MO just transliterated them into
> Klingon spelling.
>
> There's been a few attempts at "folk etymologies" for the curse words,
> based on similar-sounding words, but nothing definitely authoritative.
> Maltz thinks the word {taHqeq} is related to the expression {bItaHrup'a'}
> "Do you want to continue?", which is used defiantly before escalating an
> argument to the next level (punches or curse warfare). And I think one of
> the footnotes in paq'batlh suggests that {petaQ} is derived from {petaQ}
> meaning "you (plural) be weird!", though I think that footnote was not
> written by Okrand himself. I think there may also be some reluctance on
> Okrand's part to get too deep into the R-rated language, so there's no
> definite association to actual objectionable topics.
>
> For the most part I think you can just translate the curse words to the
> nearest equivalent in the given language based on the context it's been
> used in before. {petaQ}, for instance, seems to be roughly equivalent to
> "asshole, dumbass, bastard", and I think {ghuy'} was translated as "Damn!"
> in a line written for Star Trek 5.
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 10:46 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was just reading the tlhIngan epithets and general invectives on the
>> subject of cursing. I read the following epithets
>> {petaQ,toDSaH,taHqeq,yIntagh,Qovpatlh} and the invectives (va'/Qu'vatlh,
>> ghay'cha', baQa', Hu'tegh, QI'yaH, ghuy'cha')
>>
>> I didn't see anywhere though,any given meaning or translation of the
>> aforementioned epithets/invectives..
>>
>> does this mean that all these epithets/invectives cannot be translated ?
>>
>> cpt. qunnoQ
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>interesting information !<br=
><br></div>..and since we are on the subject of cursing,I would like to tak=
e the opportunity and say that my two favorite klingon curses are<br><br></=
div>1. Hab SoSlI' Quch<br></div>2. verengan Ha'DIbaH<br><br></div>a=
lthough I would never say the "your mother has a smooth forehead"=
,because I believe that anyone's mother is a sacred figure not to be in=
sulted under any circumstances..<br></div>on the other hand though,the '=
;'ferengi dog'' is one of the most beautiful things to say to s=
omeone who pisses you off ! it is a short phrase,said easily when angered,a=
nd it somehow "flows out'' of your lips.. it can also be said =
either with extreme anger,or with a slow,nearly silent contemptuous voice. =
it's perfect !<br><br></div>cpt qunnoQ<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_ext=
ra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 7:38 PM, nIqolay =
Q <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>If I recall correctly, most of the Klingon curse=
s are just gibberish from the shows, especially the epithets, and MO just t=
ransliterated them into Klingon spelling. <br><br>There's been a few at=
tempts at "folk etymologies" for the curse words, based on simila=
r-sounding words, but nothing definitely authoritative. Maltz thinks the wo=
rd {taHqeq} is related to the expression {bItaHrup'a'} "Do you=
want to continue?", which is used defiantly before escalating an argu=
ment to the next level (punches or curse warfare). And I think one of the f=
ootnotes in paq'batlh suggests that {petaQ} is derived from {petaQ} mea=
ning "you (plural) be weird!", though I think that footnote was n=
ot written by Okrand himself. I think there may also be some reluctance on =
Okrand's part to get too deep into the R-rated language, so there's=
no definite association to actual objectionable topics.<br><br></div>For t=
he most part I think you can just translate the curse words to the nearest =
equivalent in the given language based on the context it's been used in=
before. {petaQ}, for instance, seems to be roughly equivalent to "ass=
hole, dumbass, bastard", and I think {ghuy'} was translated as &qu=
ot;Damn!" in a line written for Star Trek 5.<br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">On Fri, No=
v 6, 2015 at 10:46 AM, qunnoQ HoD <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:m=
ihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:=
<br></div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8e=
x;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div><div>I was just reading the tlhIngan epithets an=
d general invectives on the subject of cursing. I read the following epithe=
ts {petaQ,toDSaH,taHqeq,yIntagh,Qovpatlh} and the invectives (va'/Qu=
9;vatlh, ghay'cha', baQa', Hu'tegh, QI'yaH, ghuy'ch=
a')<br><br></div>I didn't see anywhere though,any given meaning or =
translation of the aforementioned epithets/invectives..<br><br></div>does t=
his mean that all these epithets/invectives cannot be translated ?<br><br><=
/div>cpt. qunnoQ<br></div></div>
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