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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] povjajwIj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michael Roney, Jr.)
Thu Nov 5 08:12:23 2015
In-Reply-To: <CA+7zAmMvGyPRW87xG=oiU4Mq=hjuY2YcN-JJha0NCbDk+xoypA@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 08:12:06 -0500
From: "Michael Roney, Jr." <nahqun@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:10 AM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 4 November 2015 at 17:27, Michael Roney, Jr. <nahqun@gmail.com> wrote:
> > wa'Hu', jIvem.
> > puqwI' vIvemchoH.
>
> puqlI' DavemchoHmoH, qar'a'?
Yes, I forgot the {-moH}.
>
> > matuQchoH.
> > nIQ maSop.
>
> SuSop. nIQ boSop. moHaq yIqIm.
Argh.
Yes, I meant {wI-}.
The object subject changed the same between my two sentences, but not the
object and I didn=CA=BBt catch that.
>
> > DuSaQDaq yIt, vItlhej.
>
> {DuSaQDaq yIttaHvIS vIttlhej} 'e' vImaS.
>
Okay, I can see that.
> > ghIq yaHDajDaq leng be'nalwI'; puH Duj vI'or.
> > mebpa'mey'a'Daq vumtaH.
> > vutwI''a' (vutwI'Hom quv?) ghaH.
>
> jIyaj 'ach jIyajchu'be'. vutba' ghaH. 'ach patlhDaj vISovchu'be'.
>
> She's a chef. She's a major chef ({vutwI''a'}). But you think you
> might describe her as a minor head chef ({vutwI' quv} + {-Hom} =3D
> {vutwI'Hom quv}). So... assistant head chef? I'm not familiar enough
> with kitchen staff {qutluch patlh} to understand clearly what you
> mean.
I=CA=BBm not familiar enough with kitchen staff to know what I mean.
She=CA=BBs a Sous Chef. She=CA=BBs under the Chef de Cuisine, who I guess w=
ould be
the {vutwI=CA=BB quv}, but she=CA=BBs a salaried position above the rest of=
her stuff
and gets the fancy jacket with her name on it.
I was wanting a way to get across that she was more than a short order
cook, but also not make it look like she=CA=BBs the main chef.
KGT doesn=CA=BBt get this detailed.
Also, I meant {mebpa=CA=BB=CA=BBa=CA=BBmey}.
>
> > juHDaq jIchegh.
>
> {juH vIchegh} 'e' vImaS. There's some contradiction in the canon about
> how to specify the destination of {chegh}. But this was clarified in
> this email:
> http://klingonska.org/canon/1999-07-19b-email.txt
>
> {juHDaq jIchegh} is ambiguous and can mean either "I return home" or
> "I return at home (I return somewhere, while inside my house)".
>
Thanks for the link, I=CA=BBll need to add this to my notes.
> > juH jIvum.
> > juH chenmoHwI' jIH }}:)
>
> jIyajlaw'. I think you're making a joke about being a "homemaker". I
> was confused at first, because I wasn't sure if *{juH jIvum} mean you
> work at home ({juHDaq jIvum) or you work on homes (making houses), so
> when I read {juH chenmoHwI'} I thought you were confirming the latter,
> until I saw the smiley.
>
I remember putting a {-Daq} there, guess my brain moved faster than my
fingers on that one.
But yes, I was trying to play on the term "homemaker".
I like that scene in "The Neutral Zone" (TNG) where Data assumes the
occupation of "homemaker" means that she is in construction.
Realizing that this is not a Klingon phrase, I added the smiley to note
that I wasn=CA=BBt seriously suggesting this as a term.
> > Sut vISay'moH.
> > ngop, Duq, baghneQ, je vISay'moH.
> >
> > megh vISop.
> > 'ey *HIlelwIj.
> >
> > veQ vIwoD.
> > .
> > juHDaq cheghDI' puq, "brownies" DIvut.
> > ngawDeq lo' *cha''Iv*.
>
> *cha''Iv* vIyajbe'. DIvI' Hol mu' 'oS'a'? puqlI' pong 'oH'a'?
I realized this morning, upon rereading this lists FAQ, that non-canon
names get 1 *, not 2.
So, I should=CA=BBve written {*cha=CA=BB=CA=BBIv}.
It=CA=BBs my daughter=CA=BBs name.
>
> > "brownies" tujchoHtaHvIS, 'uQ vIvut.
> >
> > jatlh jIH:
> > <qaStaH nuq?>
> >
> > jatlh puqloDwI':
> > <loghjaj 'oH qatru' jaj'e'.>
>
> "A nerd's day is Thursday"?
>
My children have themed dress up days at school.
Tuesday was Black Tie Day, Wednesday was Camo Day, Today is Nerd Day.
They=CA=BBre supposed to dress like nerds.
> > jatlh puqbe'wI':
> > <chay' qatru' wIDa?>
> >
> > jIjang:
> > <yIvbeHwIj SeQHa' botuQ }};) >
>
> "How are we acting like nerds?"
> "You're wearing my [T-shirt?]s"
>
> jIyajbe'.
>
I was afraid my joke would get lost in translation.
My daughter was trying to figure out how to dress like a nerd.
I told her to wear one of my shirts. (because I have nerdy shirts).
Problem is, "behave in the manner of" is totally different than "dress in
the clothing of".
I thought about using "pretend", but that doesn=CA=BBt work either.
> > QongrupchoHtaHvIS, lam vIbI'.
> >
> > qaSDI' ramjep, mebpa'mey'a'Daq vIchegh.
> >
> > juHDaq wIchegh.
> >
> > maQong.
> >
> >
> > ~naHQun, who is 98% sure he used the correct prefixes.
> > If not, Qov has permission to beat me with a prefix chart.
>
> Qov jIHbe' vaj SoHvaD moHaq wa'chaw vIqIpmoHQo'.
>
> --
> De'vID
~naHQun
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~Michael Roney, Jr.
Freelance Translator
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 4:10 AM, De'vID <<a =
href=3D"mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wro=
te:<br>><br>> On 4 November 2015 at 17:27, Michael Roney, Jr. <<a =
href=3D"mailto:nahqun@gmail.com">nahqun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> &g=
t; wa'Hu', jIvem.<br>> > puqwI' vIvemchoH.<br>><br>>=
; puqlI' DavemchoHmoH, qar'a'?<div><br></div><div>Yes, I forgot=
the {-moH}.</div><div><br>><br>> > matuQchoH.<br>> > nIQ ma=
Sop.<br>><br>> SuSop. nIQ boSop. moHaq yIqIm.</div><div><br></div><di=
v>Argh.</div><div>Yes, I meant {wI-}.</div><div>The object subject changed =
the same between my two sentences, but not the object and I didn=CA=BBt cat=
ch that.</div><div><br>><br>> > DuSaQDaq yIt, vItlhej.<br>><br>=
> {DuSaQDaq yIttaHvIS vIttlhej} 'e' vImaS.<br>></div><div><br=
></div><div>Okay, I can see that.</div><div><br>> > ghIq yaHDajDaq le=
ng be'nalwI'; puH Duj vI'or.<br>> > mebpa'mey'a&#=
39;Daq vumtaH.<br>> > vutwI''a' (vutwI'Hom quv?) ghaH=
.<br>><br>> jIyaj 'ach jIyajchu'be'. vutba' ghaH. =
9;ach patlhDaj vISovchu'be'.<br>><br>> She's a chef. She&=
#39;s a major chef ({vutwI''a'}). But you think you<br>> mig=
ht describe her as a minor head chef ({vutwI' quv} + {-Hom} =3D<br>>=
{vutwI'Hom quv}). So... assistant head chef? I'm not familiar enou=
gh<br>> with kitchen staff {qutluch patlh} to understand clearly what yo=
u<br>> mean.</div><div><br></div><div>I=CA=BBm not familiar enough with =
kitchen staff to know what I mean.</div><div>She=CA=BBs a Sous Chef. She=CA=
=BBs under the Chef de Cuisine, who I guess would be the {vutwI=CA=BB quv},=
but she=CA=BBs a salaried position above the rest of her stuff and gets th=
e fancy jacket with her name on it.</div><div><br></div><div>I was wanting =
a way to get across that she was more than a short order cook, but also not=
make it look like she=CA=BBs the main chef.</div><div>KGT doesn=CA=BBt get=
this detailed.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I meant {mebpa=CA=BB=CA=BBa=
=CA=BBmey}.</div><div><br>><br>> > juHDaq jIchegh.<br>><br>>=
{juH vIchegh} 'e' vImaS. There's some contradiction in the can=
on about<br>> how to specify the destination of {chegh}. But this was cl=
arified in<br>> this email:<br>> <a href=3D"http://klingonska.org/can=
on/1999-07-19b-email.txt">http://klingonska.org/canon/1999-07-19b-email.txt=
</a><br>><br>> {juHDaq jIchegh} is ambiguous and can mean either &quo=
t;I return home" or<br>> "I return at home (I return somewhere=
, while inside my house)".<br>></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for=
the link, I=CA=BBll need to add this to my notes.</div><div><br>> > =
juH jIvum.<br>> > juH chenmoHwI' jIH }}:)<br>><br>> jIyajla=
w'. I think you're making a joke about being a "homemaker"=
;. I<br>> was confused at first, because I wasn't sure if *{juH jIvu=
m} mean you<br>> work at home ({juHDaq jIvum) or you work on homes (maki=
ng houses), so<br>> when I read {juH chenmoHwI'} I thought you were =
confirming the latter,<br>> until I saw the smiley.<br>></div><div><b=
r></div><div>I remember putting a {-Daq} there, guess my brain moved faster=
than my fingers on that one.</div><div>But yes, I was trying to play on th=
e term "homemaker".=C2=A0</div><div>I like that scene in "Th=
e Neutral Zone" (TNG) where Data assumes the occupation of "homem=
aker" means that she is in construction.</div><div>Realizing that this=
is not a Klingon phrase, I added the smiley to note that I wasn=CA=BBt ser=
iously suggesting this as a term.</div><div><br>> > Sut vISay'moH=
.<br>> > ngop, Duq, baghneQ, je vISay'moH.<br>> ><br>> &=
gt; megh vISop.<br>> > 'ey *HIlelwIj.<br>> ><br>> > v=
eQ vIwoD.<br>> > .<br>> > juHDaq cheghDI' puq, "browni=
es" DIvut.<br>> > ngawDeq lo' *cha''Iv*.<br>><br>=
> *cha''Iv* vIyajbe'. DIvI' Hol mu' 'oS'a=
9;? puqlI' pong 'oH'a'?</div><div><br></div><div>I realized=
this morning, upon rereading this lists FAQ, that non-canon names get 1 *,=
not 2.</div><div>So, I should=CA=BBve written {*cha=CA=BB=CA=BBIv}.</div><=
div>It=CA=BBs my daughter=CA=BBs name.</div><div><br>><br>> > &quo=
t;brownies" tujchoHtaHvIS, 'uQ vIvut.<br>> ><br>> > ja=
tlh jIH:<br>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<qaStaH nuq?><br>> ><=
br>> > jatlh puqloDwI':<br>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<logh=
jaj 'oH qatru' jaj'e'.><br>><br>> "A nerd'=
;s day is Thursday"?<br>></div><div><br></div><div>My children have=
themed dress up days at school.</div><div>Tuesday was Black Tie Day, Wedne=
sday was Camo Day, Today is Nerd Day.</div><div>They=CA=BBre supposed to dr=
ess like nerds.</div><div><br>> > jatlh puqbe'wI':<br>> &g=
t; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<chay' qatru' wIDa?><br>> ><br>&=
gt; > jIjang:<br>> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<yIvbeHwIj SeQHa' =
botuQ }};) ><br>><br>> "How are we acting like nerds?"<b=
r>> "You're wearing my [T-shirt?]s"<br>><br>> jIyajb=
e'.<br>></div><div><br></div><div>I was afraid my joke would get los=
t in translation.</div><div>My daughter was trying to figure out how to dre=
ss like a nerd.</div><div>I told her to wear one of my shirts. (because I h=
ave nerdy shirts).</div><div><br></div><div>Problem is, "behave in the=
manner of" is totally different than "dress in the clothing of&q=
uot;.</div><div>I thought about using "pretend", but that doesn=
=CA=BBt work either.</div><div><br></div><div><br>> > QongrupchoHtaHv=
IS, lam vIbI'.<br>> ><br>> > qaSDI' ramjep, mebpa'm=
ey'a'Daq vIchegh.<br>> ><br>> > juHDaq wIchegh.<br>>=
><br>> > maQong.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ~naHQun, =
who is 98% sure he used the correct prefixes.<br>> > If not, Qov has =
permission to beat me with a prefix chart.<br>><br>> Qov jIHbe' v=
aj SoHvaD moHaq wa'chaw vIqIpmoHQo'.<br>><br>> --<br>> De&=
#39;vID<br><br><br>~naHQun<br><br>--<br>~Michael Roney, Jr.<br>Freelance Tr=
anslator</div></div>
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