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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] New word from MO: {jIr} (excl) "Big deal!"
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fiat Knox)
Wed Nov 4 19:34:30 2015
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 00:31:13 +0000 (UTC)
From: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Lieven <levinius@gmx.de>, "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
In-Reply-To: <563A7D71.6020809@gmx.de>
Reply-To: Fiat Knox <fiat_knox@yahoo.co.uk>
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As a Brit, I suspect that over here it would be preceded by a slight puff o=
f breath, and perhaps a Gallic shrug of calculated indifference. But no ges=
ture.
jIr!
Perhaps jIr jay' would express the sentiment a little more strongly ...=20
On Wednesday, 4 November 2015, 21:50, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
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Am 04.11.2015 um 22:00 schrieb SuStel:
> On 11/4/2015 3:35 PM, Lieven wrote:
> So I see that the KLI's new words list has "Some non-Klingons
> occasionally add a gesture of pointing at the ceiling and moving one's
> hand in a circular motion." Saying "non-Klingons" suggests that Klingons
> DON'T do it. Do we know that?
Of course we do not know what Klingons do. But that line is not part of=20
the definition Okrand gave us. It's confusing, people may believe they=20
have to do that movement. Note that "some non-klingons" seems to refer=20
to americans. Most people on the world don't even know that gesture.=20
zrajm shouldn't even have it mentioned.
Look back to what he wrote in his mail:
------------
For my dictionary I wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 {jIr} (excl) "Whoop-dee-doo!, La-dee-dah!, Who cares?!, Big d=
eal!"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 /Marc Okrand in conversation (qepHom 14, October 31, 2015)
------------
This is the only thing that was supposed to be used in any kind of=20
dictionary or words list. I know I'm nitpicking, but we sometimes need=20
to be doing so to keep a clean and true list of words. (remember the=20
light/lamp/device confusion we had recently?)
Okrand's words were really something like "ah, no, forget about that,=20
don't write that down. you don't need to do that move. Saying jIr is=20
enough."
--=20
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
Grammarian of the KLI
http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
http://www.klingonwiki.net
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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16=
px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446683173599_4384">As a Brit, I suspect that o=
ver here it would be preceded by a slight puff of breath, and perhaps a Gal=
lic shrug of calculated indifference. But no gesture.</div><div id=3D"yui_3=
_16_0_1_1446683173599_4348"><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446683173599=
_4349"><b>jIr!</b><br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1446683173599_4378"><br=
><span></span></div><div><span>Perhaps <b>jIr jay'</b> would express the se=
ntiment a little more strongly ...</span></div> <br><div class=3D"qtdSepar=
ateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted">=
<div style=3D"font-family: Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-s=
erif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetic=
a Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <di=
v dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Wednesday, 4 November 20=
15, 21:50, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <blockq=
uote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; ma=
rgin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container=
">Am 04.11.2015 um 22:00 schrieb SuStel:<br clear=3D"none">> On 11/4/201=
5 3:35 PM, Lieven wrote:<br clear=3D"none">> So I see that the KLI's new=
words list has "Some non-Klingons<br clear=3D"none">> occasionally add =
a gesture of pointing at the ceiling and moving one's<br clear=3D"none">>=
; hand in a circular motion." Saying "non-Klingons" suggests that Klingons<=
br clear=3D"none">> DON'T do it. Do we know that?<br clear=3D"none"><br =
clear=3D"none">Of course we do not know what Klingons do. But that line is =
not part of <br clear=3D"none">the definition Okrand gave us. It's confusin=
g, people may believe they <br clear=3D"none">have to do that movement. Not=
e that "some non-klingons" seems to refer <br clear=3D"none">to americans. =
Most people on the world don't even know that gesture. <br clear=3D"none">z=
rajm shouldn't even have it mentioned.<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
>Look back to what he wrote in his mail:<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
e">------------<br clear=3D"none">For my dictionary I wrote:<br clear=3D"no=
ne"><br clear=3D"none"> {jIr} (excl) "Whoop-dee-doo!, La-dee-=
dah!, Who cares?!, Big deal!"<br clear=3D"none"> /Marc Okrand=
in conversation (qepHom 14, October 31, 2015)<br clear=3D"none">----------=
--<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">This is the only thing that was sup=
posed to be used in any kind of <br clear=3D"none">dictionary or words list=
. I know I'm nitpicking, but we sometimes need <br clear=3D"none">to be doi=
ng so to keep a clean and true list of words. (remember the <br clear=3D"no=
ne">light/lamp/device confusion we had recently?)<br clear=3D"none"><br cle=
ar=3D"none">Okrand's words were really something like "ah, no, forget about=
that, <br clear=3D"none">don't write that down. you don't need to do that =
move. Saying jIr is <br clear=3D"none">enough."<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=
=3D"none">-- <br clear=3D"none">Lieven L. Litaer<br clear=3D"none">aka Quva=
r valer 'utlh<br clear=3D"none">Grammarian of the KLI<br clear=3D"none"><a =
shape=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a><br clear=3D"none"><a shape=
=3D"rect" href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net/" target=3D"_blank">http://www=
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