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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Affix of the Day: -chuq
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Wed Nov 4 10:28:06 2015
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Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:27:50 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
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> ..is a type 4 suffix, if a suffix of Type 1, 2, or 3 is to be used it
would precede the Type 4
so THAT's how suffixes are to be ordered !
On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
> Karen wanted more examples. Here=E2=80=99s a quick unformatted dump from=
my notes:
>
>
>
> (TKD 36): "This suffix is used only with plural subjects. It is
> translated *each other* or *one another*. The prefix set indicating "no
> object" is also used when this suffix is used: *maqIpchuq* *we hit each
> other*, *SuqIpchuq* *you* (*plural*) *hit each other*, *qIpchuq* *they
> hit each other*, *peqIpchuq* *hit each other*!"
>
>
> (st.k 11/97): "Since -*moH* is a Type 4 suffix, if a suffix of Type 1,
> 2, or 3 is to be used (such as -*chuq* *each other* [Type 1] or -*nIS*
> *need* [Type 2]), it would precede the Type 4 -*moH*; for example,
> *pujchuqmoH* *they weaken each other*..."
>
> (KGT 158): "If one wanted to say that two persons collide but not imply
> that they butt heads, the verb *ngeQ* would probably be used along with
> the suffix -*chuq* (*each other*) as in *ngeQchuq tera'nganpu'* (*The
> Terrans collide with each other*)."
>
> (Will Martin=E2=80=99s interview with Mark Okrand, HQ Dec. 1998:9-10):
>
> "WM: And could I say * maSumchuq*?
> MO: No. You'd just say *bISum *or *SuSum*. If you haven't, in the
> course of the conversation, set things up otherwise, it's assumed that
> the event being talked about is taking place where the speaker is."
>
> - *ja'chuqmeH rojHom neH jaghla'*
> The enemy commander wishes a truce (in order) to confer. TKD
>
> - *maja'chuqjaj?*
> Can we talk? PK
>
> - *'uQ wISoppu'DI' maja'chuq*
>
> We will talk after dinner. PK
>
> - *ghobchuq loDnI'pu'*
>
> "The Brothers Battle One Another" (*i.e*. the Kahless and Morath
> statuette) KCD
>
> - *Hay'chuq*
>
> They duel one another. KGT
>
> - *Hay'chuqchu'*
>
> They duel one another to the death. KGT
>
> - *ghomchuqqa' loDnI'pu' vav je*
>
> [translation wanting] PB
>
> - *vanchuq luqara' joH qeylIS je *
>
> Lady Lukara and Kahless, they said their goodbyes PB
>
> - *QIStaq 'emDaq jenchoH jul, yor DungDaq Salta'DI' tagh HarghchuqmeH poH=
*
>
> The sun rises high behind the *Kri'stak*, when it rises over its top, =
it
> is time to do battle. PB
>
> - *yab matlh muvchuqghach Sorgh vay' 'e' vIbotjaj. *
>
> Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediments. (Sonnet
> 116)
>
> - *DoyIchlanDaq ghomchuqbogh tlhIngan Hol ghojwI'pu' =E2=80=93 Savan!*
>
> (MO qepHom 2013 greetings [untranslated])
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Roney, Jr. [mailto:nahqun@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:48 PM
>
> On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Karen Alessio <karenalessio@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry if I am out of line for suggesting this, but I was just thinking
> that it would be extremely help for beginners (well, for me anyway) to se=
e
> words/affixes of the day used in an example sentence. it would sort of
> make learning easier and less daunting. Sort of to give it more context,
> and aid in memorizing all the vocab.
> > If that's not ok, don't worry.
>
> These are the notes I have on {-chuq}:
>
> This suffix is used only with plural subjects. It is translated "each
> other" or "one another". The prefix set indicating ''no object'' is also
> used when this suffix is used.
>
> =E2=88=86 maqIpchuq we hit each other
>
> =E2=88=86 SuqIpchuq you (plural) hit each other
>
> =E2=88=86 qIpchuq they hit each other
>
> =E2=88=86 peqIpchuq hit each other!
>
> --
> ~Michael Roney, Jr.
> Freelance Translator
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> ..is=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 t<span style=3D"font-family:C=
ourier">ype 4 suffix, if a suffix of Type 1, 2, or 3 is to be used </span><=
span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">it w=
ould precede the Type 4</span><br></span></div><span style=3D"font-family:C=
ourier">so THAT's how suffixes are to be ordered !<br></span></div><div=
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 a=
t 5:09 PM, Steven Boozer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:sboozer@uc=
hicago.edu" target=3D"_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a">Karen wanted more examples.=C2=A0 Here=
=E2=80=99s a quick unformatted dump from my notes:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">(TKD 36):=C2=A0 =
"This suffix is used only with plural subjects. It is translated
<i>each other</i> or <i>one another</i>. The prefix set indicating "no=
object" is also used when this suffix is used:
<b>maqIpchuq</b> <i>we hit each other</i>, <b>SuqIpchuq</b> <i>you</i> (<i>=
plural</i>)
<i>hit each other</i>, <b>qIpchuq</b> <i>they hit each other</i>, <b>peqIpc=
huq</b>
<i>hit each other</i>!" <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><br>
(st.k 11/97):=C2=A0 "Since -<b>moH</b> is a Type 4 suffix, if a suffix=
of Type 1, 2, or 3 is to be used (such as -<b>chuq</b>
<i>each other</i> [Type 1] or -<b>nIS</b> <i>need</i> [Type 2]), it would p=
recede the Type 4 -<b>moH</b>; for example,
<b>pujchuqmoH</b> <i>they weaken each other</i>..." <br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">(KGT 158):=C2=A0=
"If one wanted to say that two persons collide but not imply that the=
y butt heads, the verb
<b>ngeQ</b> would probably be used along with the suffix -<b>chuq</b> (<i>e=
ach other</i>) as in
<b>ngeQchuq tera'nganpu'</b> (<i>The Terrans collide with each othe=
r</i>)." <br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">(Will Martin=E2=
=80=99s interview with Mark Okrand, HQ Dec. 1998:9-10):<u></u><u></u></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0 "WM:=
And could I say <b>
maSumchuq</b>? <br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0MO:=C2=A0No.=C2=A0You'd just say <b>bISum </b>or <b>S=
uSum</b>.=C2=A0If you haven't, in the course of=C2=A0the conversation, =
set things up otherwise, it's assumed that the=C2=A0event being talked =
about is taking place where the speaker is."
<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0- <b>ja=
9;chuqmeH rojHom neH jaghla'</b>
<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The enemy commander wishes a truce (in order) to confer. =
TKD<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">- <b>maja'ch=
uqjaj?</b> <br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Can we talk? PK<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">- <b>'uQ wIS=
oppu'DI' maja'chuq</b>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0We will talk after dinner. PK<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">- <b>ghobchuq lo=
DnI'pu'</b>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0"The Brothers Battle One Another" (<i>i.e</i>. the Kahless and=
Morath statuette) KCD<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">- <b>Hay'chu=
q</b> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0They duel one another. KGT<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">- <b>Hay'chu=
qchu'</b> <u></u>
<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0They duel one another to the death. KGT<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
- <b><span style=3D"color:#c00000">ghomchuqqa' loDnI'pu' vav je=
</span></b>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0[translation wanting] PB</span><span style=3D"font-family=
:Courier"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=
- <b><span style=3D"color:red">vanchuq luqara' joH qeylIS je</span>
<u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"=
;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier Ne=
w"">Lady Lukara and Kahless, they said their goodbyes PB<br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">- </span><b><spa=
n style=3D"font-family:"Courier New";color:#c00000">QIStaq 'e=
mDaq jenchoH jul, yor DungDaq Salta'DI' tagh HarghchuqmeH poH</span=
></b><b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">
<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"=
;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier Ne=
w"">The sun rises high behind the
<i>Kri'stak</i>, when it rises over its top, </span><span style=3D"font=
-family:"Courier New"">it is time to do battle. PB</span><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:"Courier New""><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">- <b><span style=
=3D"color:#c00000">yab matlh muvchuqghach Sorgh vay' 'e' vIbotj=
aj.</span>
<u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:Courier">Let me not to the marr=
iage of true minds admit impediments. (Sonnet 116)<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:Courier"></span><span sty=
le=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font=
-family:"Courier New"">-
</span><b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New";color:red">Doy=
IchlanDaq ghomchuqbogh tlhIngan Hol ghojwI'pu' =E2=80=93 Savan!</sp=
an></b><b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"">
<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier New"=
;">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span></b><span style=3D"font-family:"Courier Ne=
w"">(MO qepHom 2013 greetings [untranslated])</span><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:Courier"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#44546a"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:#44546a"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
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4.0pt">
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"=
;Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Michael Roney, Jr. [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:nahqun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nahqun@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 03, 2015 8:48 PM<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 a=
t 9:37 PM, Karen Alessio <<a href=3D"mailto:karenalessio@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">karenalessio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Sorry if I am out of line for suggesting this, but I was just thinking=
that it would be extremely help for beginners (well, for me anyway) to see=
words/affixes of the day used in an example sentence. =C2=A0it would sort =
of make learning easier and less daunting.
Sort of to give it more context, and aid in memorizing all the vocab.<br>
> If that's not ok, don't worry.<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
</span><span class=3D""><div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">These are the notes I have on {-chuq}:<br>
<br>
This suffix is used only with plural subjects. It is translated "each =
other" or "one another". The prefix set indicating ''=
;no object'' is also used when this suffix is used.<u></u><u></u></=
p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=E2=88=86 maqIpchuq we hit each other<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=E2=88=86 SuqIpchuq you (plural) hit each othe=
r=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=88=86 qIpchuq they hit each other=C2=A0<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=E2=88=86 peqIpchuq hit each other!<br>
<br>
--<br>
~Michael Roney, Jr.<br>
Freelance Translator<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span></div>
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