[101819] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Piraha
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (nIqolay Q)
Mon Nov 2 11:48:46 2015
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:48:29 -0500
From: nIqolay Q <niqolay0@gmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org"
<tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org>
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
> I'm not sure what the initial question was, but these examples do not sho=
w
> a real answer, in my opinion. All of the multiple adverbials are actually
> time stamps plus adverb, so not really "TWO" adverbs.
>
I was under the impression that a time stamp was the use of a noun of time
in the adverbial position, as in {wa'Hu' vIlegh} "I saw him yesterday."
{tugh} and {reH} are adverbials; they're listed with the other adverbials
in TKD.
> The only rule we can see here, is that time stamps come first:
>
> {tugh batlh Heghmo=E2=80=99}
> "soon he dies with honor"
>
> {reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH}
> "they always fight with honor"
>
> I don't see two adverbials here, unless you see vaj as one, which I see
> more as a conjunction:
{vaj} is listed with the adverbials in TKD, not with the conjunctions.
>
> > Hay=E2=80=99chu=E2=80=99 luneHqu=E2=80=99
>
>> vaj pe=E2=80=99vIl joqqu=E2=80=99
>> cha=E2=80=99 tlhIngan tIqDu=E2=80=99
>>
>
> Any examples with true aderbials or adverbs of the same type??
>
>
What is a "true adverbial"? What reason is there to make an arbitrary
grammatical distinction here?
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=
=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span=
> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm not sure what the initia=
l question was, but these examples do not show a real answer, in my opinion=
. All of the multiple adverbials are actually time stamps plus adverb, so n=
ot really "TWO" adverbs.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I wa=
s under the impression that a time stamp was the use of a noun of time in t=
he adverbial position, as in {wa'Hu' vIlegh} "I saw him yester=
day." {tugh} and {reH} are adverbials; they're listed with the oth=
er adverbials in TKD. <br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">
The only rule we can see here, is that time stamps come first:<br>
<br>
{tugh batlh Heghmo=E2=80=99}<br>
"soon he dies with honor"<br>
<br>
{reH batlh SuvtaHjaj chaH}<br>
"they always fight with honor"<br>
<br>
I don't see two adverbials here, unless you see vaj as one, which I see=
more as a conjunction:<span class=3D""></span>=C2=A0</blockquote><div><br>=
</div><div>{vaj} is listed with the adverbials in TKD, not with the conjunc=
tions.<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=
=3D"">
<br>
> Hay=E2=80=99chu=E2=80=99 luneHqu=E2=80=99<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
vaj pe=E2=80=99vIl joqqu=E2=80=99<br>
cha=E2=80=99 tlhIngan tIqDu=E2=80=99<br>
</blockquote>
<br></span>
Any examples with true aderbials or adverbs of the same type??<div class=3D=
"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>What is a "true adverbial"? What reason is there to make an arbi=
trary grammatical distinction here?<br></div><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div><=
/div>
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