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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] HolQeD grammar
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Mon Nov 2 11:45:00 2015
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:44:46 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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> These are resources that clarify the grammar already published in the two
books you mention. They don=E2=80=99t really explain any new grammar not in=
cluded
in those publications.
can I hope too,that all grammar Okrand created,is included in TKD,and KGT
while every other book/publication/qep'a/mailing list etc just clarifies
this grammar ?
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
wrote:
> HolQeD was an academic journal with a peer review process as part of
> publication. There may have been a couple of small articles written by
> Okrand over the decade or so it was published, though I=E2=80=99m not rea=
lly sure
> that ever happened. There were interviews with him. I did an interview wi=
th
> him.
>
> Mostly, these articles were written by informed people who presented idea=
s
> and had them reviewed by peers to make sure they were valid and
> sufficiently well presented to represent the standards of the publication=
.
>
> These are resources that clarify the grammar already published in the two
> books you mention. They don=E2=80=99t really explain any new grammar not =
included
> in those publications.
>
> It would definitely be a good resource to be able to let everyone see all
> these issues, but Lawrence is the gatekeeper on this one, and he went to
> great trouble to have the originals =E2=80=9Cdone well=E2=80=9D and doesn=
=E2=80=99t want reissues
> done less professionally. I offered to scan what I have with OCR and
> manually edit the result to reflect the original, but he apparently has a
> different plan. He also doesn=E2=80=99t want them scanned as graphics and=
presented
> =E2=80=9Cas is=E2=80=9D.
>
> So, until he finds the resources to do it his way, they are not available
> to the general public.
>
> Instead, you have the resource of several people here who have them and
> can help in the process of correcting and discussing things with you, whi=
le
> referencing the HolQeD volumes. I wish I could offer a more direct
> resource, but I=E2=80=99m not sure your public library ever bought copies=
of HolQeD
> that you could check out.
>
> pItlh
> lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
>
>
>
> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:52 AM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> there is something I would like to ask..
>
> someone studies the grammar of TKD & KGT. but he cannot find any of the
> HolQeD issues. So his grammar comes exclusively from these 2 books...
>
> should he worry,that without HolQeD he will be missing anything on Klingo=
n
> grammar ? or -to ask what worries me- can I sleep peacefully at
> night,knowing that I may never find HolQeD,but since I have TKD and KGT I
> will be ok ?
>
> qunnoQ HoD
> _______________________________________________
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> These are resources that clarify the grammar alr=
eady published in the=20
two books you mention. They don=E2=80=99t really explain any new grammar no=
t=20
included in those publications.<br><br></div>can I hope too,that all gramma=
r Okrand created,is included in TKD,and KGT while every other book/publicat=
ion/qep'a/mailing list etc just clarifies this grammar ?<br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at=
6:32 PM, Will Martin <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:lojmitti7wi7n=
uv@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com</a>></span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">=
<div>HolQeD was an academic journal with a peer review process as part of p=
ublication. There may have been a couple of small articles written by Okran=
d over the decade or so it was published, though I=E2=80=99m not really sur=
e that ever happened. There were interviews with him. I did an interview wi=
th him.</div><div><br></div><div>Mostly, these articles were written by inf=
ormed people who presented ideas and had them reviewed by peers to make sur=
e they were valid and sufficiently well presented to represent the standard=
s of the publication.</div><div><br></div><div>These are resources that cla=
rify the grammar already published in the two books you mention. They don=
=E2=80=99t really explain any new grammar not included in those publication=
s.</div><div><br></div><div>It would definitely be a good resource to be ab=
le to let everyone see all these issues, but Lawrence is the gatekeeper on =
this one, and he went to great trouble to have the originals =E2=80=9Cdone =
well=E2=80=9D and doesn=E2=80=99t want reissues done less professionally. I=
offered to scan what I have with OCR and manually edit the result to refle=
ct the original, but he apparently has a different plan. He also doesn=E2=
=80=99t want them scanned as graphics and presented =E2=80=9Cas is=E2=80=9D=
.</div><div><br></div><div>So, until he finds the resources to do it his wa=
y, they are not available to the general public.</div><div><br></div><div>I=
nstead, you have the resource of several people here who have them and can =
help in the process of correcting and discussing things with you, while ref=
erencing the HolQeD volumes. I wish I could offer a more direct resource, b=
ut I=E2=80=99m not sure your public library ever bought copies of HolQeD th=
at you could check out.</div><br><div>
<span style=3D"border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvet=
ica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing=
:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-tra=
nsform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div>pItlh</div><div>lojmI=
t tI'wI'nuv</div><div><br></div></span><br>
</div>
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>On Nov 2, 20=
15, at 10:52 AM, qunnoQ HoD <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div=
><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>there is something I wou=
ld like to ask..<br><br></div>someone studies the grammar of TKD & KGT.=
but he cannot find any of the HolQeD issues. So his grammar comes exclusiv=
ely from these 2 books...<br><br></div>should he worry,that without HolQeD =
he will be missing anything on Klingon grammar ? or -to ask what worries me=
- can I sleep peacefully at night,knowing that I may never find HolQeD,but =
since I have TKD and KGT I will be ok ?<br><br></div>qunnoQ HoD<br></div></=
div></div>
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