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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] On the history of KLI
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Fri Oct 30 15:50:17 2015
In-Reply-To: <008801d11345$eaef7d90$c0ce78b0$@flyingstart.ca>
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 21:49:54 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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> I pulled out my old HolQeD, jatmey and some KLI ephemera hoping to answer
the logo question, but it=E2=80=99s complicated. I=E2=80=99ll blog about i=
t (so it can
have pictures) and post the result.
thank you,that would be great. this logo reminds me of something,but i
can't seem to remember what. maybe it is just deja-vu,who knows ? but it
just seems to me so familiar..
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca> wrote=
:
> > what does it mean by saying that "The language has even been used as a
> yardstick for unintelligibility in a publication as stolid as *The
> Economist*." ?
>
>
>
> There is an English expression you probably know, =E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=99s G=
reek to me=E2=80=9D and
> it=E2=80=99s also common for people to say things like =E2=80=9Cit might =
as well be written
> in Chinese=E2=80=9D meaning that something that is supposed to communicat=
e=E2=80=94it could
> be slang, a scientific paper, an economic theory=E2=80=94is unintelligibl=
e.
> Because our society is becoming more international and there=E2=80=99s an=
awareness
> that it might be insulting to call someone=E2=80=99s language unintelligi=
ble,
> people are avoiding those comparisons. From time to time you see serious
> writing that says, =E2=80=9Cit might as well be written in Klingon.=E2=80=
=9D I have even
> seen this in the Economist, a serious international business publication.=
I
> didn=E2=80=99t save the citation.
>
>
>
> I pulled out my old HolQeD, jatmey and some KLI ephemera hoping to answer
> the logo question, but it=E2=80=99s complicated. I=E2=80=99ll blog about=
it (so it can
> have pictures) and post the result. The chance Marc Okrand had anything =
to
> do with the logo is vanishingly small. If I recall correctly, both the
> words HolQeD and yejHaD are Lawrence coinages later blessed by Okrand.
>
>
>
> - Qov
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:36 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh@wizage.net> wrote:
>
> I can't answer most of your questions directly, but some are answered on
> the KLI website: http://www.kli.org/about-klingon/klingon-history/
>
>
>
> qurgh
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:23 PM, qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> there is a number of questions i would like to ask.. i know that these
> questions may sound strange,and many may wonder why they would be of any
> interest to me at all. i would be nevertheless grateful if anyone could
> provide any answers.
>
> because they are quite a few,i will write them in such a way,that a singl=
e
> word answer is required..
>
> how long after the creation of klingon language was the KLI formed ?
> did okrand know any of the founding members of KLI,prior to the creation
> of the language ?
> has any of the founding members of KLI created vocabulary and/or
> grammar,which is considered canon ?
>
> with regards to the KLI logo/emblem. (the spiked wheel,with the three
> blades within it..)
>
> who designed it ?
> how long has it been the logo of KLI ?
> has Okrand had anything to do with its creation ?
>
> qunnoQ
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> <span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"=
Calibri","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">I
pulled out my old HolQeD, jatmey and some KLI ephemera hoping to answer
the logo question, but it=E2=80=99s complicated.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll blog a=
bout it (so it can
have pictures) and post the result.<br><br></span></div>thank you,that wou=
ld be great. this logo reminds me of something,but i can't seem to reme=
mber what. maybe it is just deja-vu,who knows ? but it just seems to me so =
familiar..<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",&qu=
ot;sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:05 PM, =
Robyn Stewart <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca"=
target=3D"_blank">robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-CA"><di=
v><div><span class=3D""><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d=
">> </span>what does it mean by saying that "The language has even =
been used as a yardstick for unintelligibility in a publication as stolid a=
s <em>The Economist</em>." ?<span style=3D"color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></=
u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p></span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497=
d">There is an English expression you probably know, =E2=80=9Cit=E2=80=99s =
Greek to me=E2=80=9D and it=E2=80=99s also common for people to say things =
like =E2=80=9Cit might as well be written in Chinese=E2=80=9D meaning that =
something that is supposed to communicate=E2=80=94it could be slang, a scie=
ntific paper, an economic theory=E2=80=94is unintelligible.=C2=A0 Because o=
ur society is becoming more international and there=E2=80=99s an awareness =
that it might be insulting to call someone=E2=80=99s language unintelligibl=
e, people are avoiding those comparisons.=C2=A0 From time to time you see s=
erious writing that says, =E2=80=9Cit might as well be written in Klingon.=
=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 I have even seen this in the Economist, a serious internati=
onal business publication. I didn=E2=80=99t save the citation.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I pulle=
d out my old HolQeD, jatmey and some KLI ephemera hoping to answer the logo=
question, but it=E2=80=99s complicated.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll blog about it (=
so it can have pictures) and post the result.=C2=A0 The chance Marc Okrand =
had anything to do with the logo is vanishingly small.=C2=A0 If I recall co=
rrectly, both the words HolQeD and yejHaD are Lawrence coinages later bless=
ed by Okrand.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1f497d">- Qov<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><span class=3D""><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 6:36 PM, qurgh lungqIj <<a href=3D"mailto:qurg=
h@wizage.net" target=3D"_blank">qurgh@wizage.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></=
u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I can't answer most of your questions=
directly, but some are answered on the KLI website:=C2=A0<a href=3D"http:/=
/www.kli.org/about-klingon/klingon-history/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.k=
li.org/about-klingon/klingon-history/</a><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">qurgh=
<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u><=
/u></p><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:23 =
PM, qunnoQ HoD <<a href=3D"mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">m=
ihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0p=
t;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>there is a number of questions i would like to ask.. i know that these que=
stions may sound strange,and many may wonder why they would be of any inter=
est to me at all. i would be nevertheless grateful if anyone could provide =
any answers. <br><br>because they are quite a few,i will write them in such=
a way,that a single word answer is required..<br><br>how long after the cr=
eation of klingon language was the KLI formed ?<br>did okrand know any of t=
he founding members of KLI,prior to the creation of the language ?<br>has a=
ny of the founding members of KLI created vocabulary and/or grammar,which i=
s considered canon ?<br><br>with regards to the KLI logo/emblem. (the spike=
d wheel,with the three blades within it..)<br><br>who designed it ?<br>how =
long has it been the logo of KLI ?<br>has Okrand had anything to do with it=
s creation ?<span style=3D"color:#888888"><br><br>qunnoQ</span><u></u><u></=
u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">_________________________=
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