[101699] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Outdated vocabulary/grammar
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rohan Fenwick)
Fri Oct 30 11:39:19 2015
From: Rohan Fenwick <qeslagh@hotmail.com>
To: "tlhingan-hol@kli.org" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 01:39:03 +1000
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ghItlhpu' loghaD=2C jatlh:
> I believe "outdated vocabulary" refers to instances where we have
> made up new constructions to express things that we did not have
> vocabulary for previously.=0A=
=0A=
> For example=2C Rohan recently mentioned that thanks to the addition of
> canonical words for "gold" and "lead"=2C he could update his translation
> of "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner"=2C which he had previously called
> {baS 'ugh} ("heavy metal") and {baS SuD} ("yellow/green/blue=0A=
metal")
> and not been too pleased with it.
FWIW I'll throw my opinion in behind SuStel and loghaD that yes=2C I think =
this is what you'll be thinking of=2C qunnoQ. What we call gold can be *des=
cribed* as {baS SuD} in Klingon=2C but it's somewhat vague and clumsy (bras=
s is also yellow=2C but has very different connotations) and to get rid of =
vagueness you need to be more clumsy ({waghbogh 'ej SuDbogh baS}?). The fac=
t that we now have {qol'om} to refer specifically to gold means that there'=
s no longer a need for the circumlocution.
Let me reassure you that Klingon grammar and vocabulary=2C in and of themse=
lves=2C don't become obsolete - in general=2C what is printed in the first =
edition of TKD is still considered just as valid Klingon as an email Marc s=
ent to one of us last week. It may be clarified=2C updated=2C or explained =
in the meantime=2C but it's never discarded outright. What changes is just =
the way each individual might put together our ideas with the building bloc=
ks given to us in canon. And since new words are being revealed all the tim=
e=2C the ways we work out to express things might change too - which is a f=
un experience.
QeS 'utlh
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<body class=3D'hmmessage'><div dir=3D'ltr'>ghItlhpu' loghaD=2C jatlh:<br>&g=
t=3B I believe "outdated vocabulary" refers to instances where we have<br>&=
gt=3B made up new constructions to express things that we did not have<br>&=
gt=3B vocabulary for previously.=0A=
=0A=
>=3B For example=2C Rohan recently mentioned that thanks to the addition =
of<BR>>=3B canonical words for "gold" and "lead"=2C he could update his t=
ranslation<BR>>=3B of "The Rime of the Ancient Mariner"=2C which he had p=
reviously called<BR>>=3B {baS 'ugh} ("heavy metal") and {baS SuD} ("yello=
w/green/blue=0A=
metal")<BR>>=3B and not been too pleased with it.<BR><br><BR>FWIW I'll t=
hrow my opinion in behind SuStel and loghaD that yes=2C I think this is wha=
t you'll be thinking of=2C qunnoQ. What we call gold can be *described* as =
{baS SuD} in Klingon=2C but it's somewhat vague and clumsy (brass is also y=
ellow=2C but has very different connotations) and to get rid of vagueness y=
ou need to be more clumsy ({waghbogh 'ej SuDbogh baS}?). The fact that we n=
ow have {qol'om} to refer specifically to gold means that there's no longer=
a need for the circumlocution.<BR><br><BR>Let me reassure you that Klingon=
grammar and vocabulary=2C in and of themselves=2C don't become obsolete - =
in general=2C what is printed in the first edition of TKD is still consider=
ed just as valid Klingon as an email Marc sent to one of us last week. It m=
ay be clarified=2C updated=2C or explained in the meantime=2C but it's neve=
r discarded outright. What changes is just the way each individual might pu=
t together our ideas with the building blocks given to us in canon. And sin=
ce new words are being revealed all the time=2C the ways we work out to exp=
ress things might change too - which is a fun experience.<BR><br><BR>QeS 'u=
tlh<br><BR> </div></body>
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