[101648] in tlhIngan-Hol
Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Things missing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Thu Oct 29 13:34:17 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
To: "'tlhIngan Hol mailing list'" <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 10:34:06 -0700
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jatlh qunnoQ HoD:
> How would you measure though how much [someone] likes [tlhngan Hol] ? =
how passionate he is about it ? how much he wants to learn it ? is there =
a test ? a way to find out ?=20
That has been the test of time and dedication. Actually speaks the =
language: committed and passionate. Argues about the corners of it =
without actually speaking it: involved, but ...? Not everyone has the =
linguistic talent or memory to learn the language to fluency, but the =
years and hours people put into promoting the language, making it =
accessible, coordinating projects, and running qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99mey =
or qepHommey show their passion.
I=E2=80=99m going to make an aside here because the rest of the list may =
not know that qunnoQ is working very hard on the language, already =
working on memorizing the prefix table, writing sentences, reading TKD =
and are striving for the next level in EVERY direction, not just asking =
the big but easy questions that newcomers ask. There=E2=80=99s a reflex =
on the list to say, with varying degrees of politeness, =E2=80=9Cshut up =
and learn the language before you question it.=E2=80=9D It=E2=80=99s =
because questions often come from people who haven=E2=80=99t taken the =
time to appreciate tlhIngan Hol, or to appreciate the fun of saying what =
needs to be said with the tools that are available. =20
> Your knowledge is a part of you,and it cannot be separated from you. =
Ever. Furthermore education comes as an irreversible process which =
changes you -irreversebly too-. You can't unlearn what you have already =
learned.
There is a Klingonist who has had semi-permanent body modification to =
create forehead ridges. It made me pose the question to myself, =
=E2=80=9Cwhy do I think that is more startling than the fact that I have =
permanently changed the INSIDE of my brain with this language?=E2=80=9D =
While many people ridicule us for learning Klingon, it=E2=80=99s the =
time spent or how they perceive our priorities that they are mocking, =
not the fact that our brains are now different. But I love it. I love =
this language, and that=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m working to ensure that =
there will continue to be people who speak it. I am so delighted by the =
influx of new people onto this list and working through the online =
course, and I hope you are not discouraged by anything.
> so,because i love Klingon and because it is becoming/will eventually =
become one of the languages i speak,because it is becoming a part of =
myself i want/demand/accept=20
> nothing else than for it to be perfect. Its as simple as that.
And that=E2=80=99s why we love you.=20
As I said in another thread, Marc says he has it handled, and =
I=E2=80=99m not in any hurry to find out what his succession plan is. I =
imagine by then you=E2=80=99ll be an accomplished speaker, and will be =
part of that solution. vaj DaH yIghojqu=E2=80=99.
- Qov
=20
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:27 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 10/29/2015 2:16 AM, Tim Stoffel wrote:
Considering what the Klingon language community has accomplished over
the years, it would be a shame to think that the end of Marc Okrand
(which I hope is no time soon!) could be the end of the Klingon
language.
We need a mechanism to keep the language alive.
Such a mechanism can be dreamed up at such time as Okrand leaves us or =
decides not to do Klingon anymore. Why try to impose it now? The =
language won't suddenly evaporate when he's gone.
--=20
SuStel
http://trimboli.name
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style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>jatlh =
qunnoQ HoD:<br><br>> How</span> would you measure though how much =
<span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[someone]</span> likes <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[tlhngan Hol]</span> ? how passionate he is =
about it ? how much he wants to learn it ? is there a test ? a way to =
find out ? <span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>That has been the test of time and dedication. =C2=A0Actually speaks =
the language: committed and passionate.=C2=A0 Argues about the corners =
of it without actually speaking it: involved, but ...? Not everyone has =
the linguistic=C2=A0 talent or memory to learn the language to fluency, =
but the years and hours people put into promoting the language, making =
it accessible, coordinating projects, and running =
qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99mey or qepHommey show their =
passion.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m going to make an aside here because the rest =
of the list may not know that qunnoQ is working very hard on the =
language, already working on memorizing the prefix table, writing =
sentences, reading TKD and are striving for the next level in EVERY =
direction, not just asking the big but easy questions that newcomers =
ask. There=E2=80=99s a reflex on the list to say, with varying degrees =
of politeness, =E2=80=9Cshut up and learn the language before you =
question it.=E2=80=9D =C2=A0It=E2=80=99s because questions often come =
from people who haven=E2=80=99t taken the time to appreciate tlhIngan =
Hol, or to appreciate the fun of saying what needs to be said with the =
tools that are available.=C2=A0 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>> </span>Your knowledge is a part of you,and =
it cannot be separated from you. Ever. Furthermore education comes as an =
irreversible process which changes you -irreversebly too-. You can't =
unlearn what you have already learned.<span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>There is a Klingonist who has had semi-permanent body modification to =
create forehead ridges.=C2=A0 It made me pose the question to myself, =
=E2=80=9Cwhy do I think that is more startling than the fact that I have =
permanently changed the INSIDE of my brain with this =
language?=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 While many people ridicule us for learning =
Klingon, it=E2=80=99s the time spent or how they perceive our =
=C2=A0priorities that they are mocking, not the fact that our brains are =
now different.=C2=A0 But I love it.=C2=A0 I love this language, and =
that=E2=80=99s why I=E2=80=99m working to ensure that there will =
continue to be people who speak it.=C2=A0 I am so delighted by the =
influx of new people onto this list and working through the online =
course, and I hope you are not discouraged by =
anything.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>> =
</span>so,because i love Klingon and because it is becoming/will =
eventually become one of the languages i speak,because it is becoming a =
part of myself i want/demand/accept <span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br>> </span>nothing else than for it to be =
perfect. Its as simple as that.<span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>And that=E2=80=99s why we love you. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>As I said in another thread, Marc says he has it =
handled, and I=E2=80=99m not in any hurry to find out what his =
succession plan is. I imagine by then you=E2=80=99ll be an accomplished =
speaker, and will be part of that solution. vaj DaH =
yIghojqu=E2=80=99.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>- =
Qov</span><br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, =
Oct 29, 2015 at 3:27 PM, SuStel <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" =
target=3D"_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 10/29/2015 2:16 AM, Tim Stoffel =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Considering what the Klingon =
language community has accomplished over<br>the years, it would be a =
shame to think that the end of Marc Okrand<br>(which I hope is no time =
soon!) could be the end of the Klingon<br>language.<br><br>We need a =
mechanism to keep the language alive.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br>Such a mechanism can be dreamed up at such time as =
Okrand leaves us or decides not to do Klingon anymore. Why try to impose =
it now? The language won't suddenly evaporate when he's gone.<span =
style=3D'color:#888888'><br><br><span class=3Dhoenzb>-- </span><br><span =
class=3Dhoenzb>SuStel</span><br><span class=3Dhoenzb><a =
href=3D"http://trimboli.name" =
target=3D"_blank">http://trimboli.name</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><d=
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