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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Things missing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (qunnoQ HoD)
Thu Oct 29 12:55:21 2015
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 18:55:05 +0200
From: qunnoQ HoD <mihkoun@gmail.com>
To: tim@lionlamb.us
Cc: tlhIngan Hol mailing list <tlhingan-hol@kli.org>
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> It=E2=80=99s a little disrespectful of all that support to express excess=
ive
demands that you apparently believe are owed to you because you are so
gracious as to invest your valuable time and skill toward learning it.
you know,as english in not my native language i always make sure that after
i write an email,i read it again so as to make sure that i have not made
any mistakes. Surely some typographic errors almost always are missed,but i
believe that i would see whether i wrote something "disrespectful". You
suggest that i'm arrogant,determined to be "the big boss". Seriously ?
After all i wrote this is your conclusion ? What i wrote is my opinion
about what is missing from the Klingon language,for it to be made complete.
It was my opinion,and i believe mailing lists/forums etc. exist for the
exchange of ideas,between people who have similar interests.
> Don=E2=80=99t disrespect that opportunity by demanding that all politics =
within
the group change to accommodate your new idea of how things ought to be
done.
apparently you believe that you own Klingon language,and that you have the
authority to pass judgement on anyone who would say that there are things
missing ; that anyone new who refuses to "shut up" and say how wonderful
everything is must be characterized in the worst way,and be black-listed.
> Are you prepared to spend money to get the Klingon language fixed? Or
are you just expecting a bunch of volunteers to do this for you?
did i write that money should be spent ? did i write that i do not
recognize that there are practical problems ? I wrote what would be nice to
exist/happen. I believe that from my first post i wrote how i realize that
there are copyright issues,which i understand and respect.
> Maybe you=E2=80=99d rather work with some easier language.
Since you know nothing of me,do not insult me by saying that i cannot cope
with the demands of a difficult language. Or by implying that i'm lazy. You
do not know the exams i have passed in my life,you do not know how hard
i've worked or under which circumstances i have studied thousands of hours
to meet the demands of my profession. Pass judgement on those who you know
in person.
..you answered the "who's to decide" by saying Okrand. I believe i already
said that too. Which part of "for copyright reasons" didn't you understand =
?
> Those who come into the group like gangsters, determined to be the big
boss who tells us what we are doing wrong and how we need to do things from
now on. They generally cause disruption, make the mailing list unpleasant
enough that a lot of people unsubscribe, and they might last a year before
leaving in a huff, never to be heard from again.
ok,since you've got me all figured out,all because i "committed the crime"
of sharing some of my thoughts,i would like to write about the three types
of old members one finds in mailing lists/forums etc..
1. members who no longer participate frequently in discussions,because they
are tired after many years of participation. they feel that they have
nothing more to discuss,and are just bored to keep on writing about the
same things again and again.
2. members who are willing to share their experience/seniority with new
members,all in the spirit of healthy exchange of ideas/thoughts
3. bullies. in the high school sense of the bully.. those who think that
their seniority gives them the right to push around any new member,who so
happens to write anything that doesn't inflate even more,their already
inflated ego. Those who demand that anyone new,will be awed by their
knowledge and that whenever he disagrees he must be reminded that "he will
not make it around here" and that he better leave while he still has time.
how pathetic..
qunnoQ HoD
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Tim Stoffel <tim@lionlamb.us> wrote:
> I'm not saying we should impose such a mechanism. We just need to think
> about the future, that's all.
>
> Tim Stoffel
>
> --
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>
> To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Things missing
> Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:27:10 -0400
>
> On 10/29/2015 2:16 AM, Tim Stoffel wrote:
> > Considering what the Klingon language community has accomplished over
> > the years, it would be a shame to think that the end of Marc Okrand
> > (which I hope is no time soon!) could be the end of the Klingon
> > language.
> >
> > We need a mechanism to keep the language alive.
>
> Such a mechanism can be dreamed up at such time as Okrand leaves us or
> decides not to do Klingon anymore. Why try to impose it now? The
> language won't suddenly evaporate when he's gone.
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">> It=E2=80=99s a little disrespectful of all that suppo=
rt to express excessive demands that you apparently believe are owed to you=
because you are so gracious as to invest your valuable time and skill towa=
rd learning it.<br><br>you know,as english in not my native language i alwa=
ys make sure that after i write an email,i read it again so as to make sure=
that i have not made any mistakes. Surely some typographic errors almost a=
lways are missed,but i believe that i would see whether i wrote something &=
quot;disrespectful". You suggest that i'm arrogant,determined to b=
e "the big boss". Seriously ? After all i wrote this is your conc=
lusion ? What i wrote is my opinion about what is missing from the Klingon =
language,for it to be made complete. It was my opinion,and i believe mailin=
g lists/forums etc. exist for the exchange of ideas,between people who have=
similar interests.<br><br><br>> Don=E2=80=99t disrespect that opportuni=
ty by demanding that all politics within the group change to accommodate yo=
ur new idea of how things ought to be done.<br><br>apparently you believe t=
hat you own Klingon language,and that you have the authority to pass judgem=
ent on anyone who would say that there are things missing ; that anyone new=
who refuses to "shut up" and say how wonderful everything is mus=
t be characterized in the worst way,and be black-listed.<br><br><br>>=C2=
=A0 Are you prepared to spend money to get the Klingon language fixed? Or a=
re you just expecting a bunch of volunteers to do this for you?<br><br>did =
i write that money should be spent ? did i write that i do not recognize th=
at there are practical problems ? I wrote what would be nice to exist/happe=
n. I believe that from my first post i wrote how i realize that there are c=
opyright issues,which i understand and respect. <br><br><br>> Maybe you=
=E2=80=99d rather work with some easier language.<br><br>Since you know not=
hing of me,do not insult me by saying that i cannot cope with the demands o=
f a difficult language. Or by implying that i'm lazy. You do not know t=
he exams i have passed in my life,you do not know how hard i've worked =
or under which circumstances i have studied thousands of hours to meet the =
demands of my profession. Pass judgement on those who you know in person.<b=
r><br>..you answered the "who's to decide" by saying Okrand. =
I believe i already said that too. Which part of "for copyright reason=
s" didn't you understand ?<br><br><br>> Those who come into the=
group like gangsters, determined to be the big boss who tells us what we a=
re doing wrong and how we need to do things from now on. They generally cau=
se disruption, make the mailing list unpleasant enough that a lot of people=
unsubscribe, and they might last a year before leaving in a huff, never to=
be heard from again.<br><br>ok,since you've got me all figured out,all=
because i "committed the crime" of sharing some of my thoughts,i=
would like to write about the three types of old members one finds in mail=
ing lists/forums etc..<br><br>1. members who no longer participate frequent=
ly in discussions,because they are tired after many years of participation.=
they feel that they have nothing more to discuss,and are just bored to kee=
p on writing about the same things again and again.<br>2. members who are w=
illing to share their experience/seniority with new members,all in the spir=
it of healthy exchange of ideas/thoughts<br>3. bullies. in the high school =
sense of the bully.. those who think that their seniority gives them the ri=
ght to push around any new member,who so happens to write anything that doe=
sn't inflate even more,their already inflated ego. Those who demand tha=
t anyone new,will be awed by their knowledge and that whenever he disagrees=
he must be reminded that "he will not make it around here" and t=
hat he better leave while he still has time.<br><br>how pathetic..<br><br>q=
unnoQ HoD<br><br><br><br><br><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Tim Stoffel <span di=
r=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:tim@lionlamb.us" target=3D"_blank">tim@lion=
lamb.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm not=
saying we should impose such a mechanism. We just need to think<br>
about the future, that's all.<br>
<span class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br>
Tim Stoffel<br>
<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
</span><span class=3D"im HOEnZb">From: SuStel <<a href=3D"mailto:sustel@=
trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>><br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:tlhingan-hol@kli.org">tlhingan-hol@kli.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Things missing<br>
</span><span class=3D"im HOEnZb">Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:27:10 -0400<br>
<br>
On 10/29/2015 2:16 AM, Tim Stoffel wrote:<br>
> Considering what the Klingon language community has accomplished over<=
br>
> the years, it would be a shame to think that the end of Marc Okrand<br=
>
> (which I hope is no time soon!) could be the end of the Klingon<br>
> language.<br>
><br>
> We need a mechanism to keep the language alive.<br>
<br>
Such a mechanism can be dreamed up at such time as Okrand leaves us or<br>
decides not to do Klingon anymore. Why try to impose it now? The<br>
language won't suddenly evaporate when he's gone.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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