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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Things missing
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Thu Oct 29 09:16:31 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 09:16:13 -0400
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If we are still doing this when Marc Orkand dies, or Lawrence Schoen, =
for that matter, since he=E2=80=99s apparently the one that got us the =
free license from Paramount to play with the language and publish stuff =
without getting sued, then we=E2=80=99ll be in a new situation and =
we=E2=80=99ll have to creatively deal with it. Until then, Marc=E2=80=99s =
our man and we can=E2=80=99t take over his role as source for new =
vocabulary.
If we try, we=E2=80=99ll probably lose our free license from Paramount, =
and then we=E2=80=99ll have their lawyers to deal with.
There have been attempts at revolution to rip control of the vocabulary =
from Okrand and claim it for our own since qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99 =
wa=E2=80=99DIch. It=E2=80=99s never worked, and I don=E2=80=99t see it =
working any time soon. Patience works, and we get to play with a nice =
language with some limits we creatively wrestle with.
Yes, we need a single, official New Words List that is well maintained =
by someone this group trusts to maintain it well without corrupting it =
with personal style, preferably with citations of sources for each =
entry. No, we don=E2=80=99t need the ability to make up our own words =
independent of Marc Okrand.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:16 AM, Tim Stoffel <tim@lionlamb.us> wrote:
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> Considering what the Klingon language community has accomplished over
> the years, it would be a shame to think that the end of Marc Okrand
> (which I hope is no time soon!) could be the end of the Klingon
> language.
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> We need a mechanism to keep the language alive. The Na'vi community =
has
> a 'Lexical Expansion Project' that works with Paul Frommer to develop
> new vocabulary, and occasionally, work through grammar issues. That
> committee, which is formed with a charter, would also become the new
> vocabulary approval mechanism, should anything ever happen to Dr.
> Frommer. So, as long as there is enough interest to leep the Lexical
> Expansion Project going, the Na'vi language has a future.
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> I know that among ourselves, there is a complete dictionary/lexicon. =
We
> need to develop and maintain such a dictionary, for use within the
> community, to help ensure a consistency and continuity in the =
language,
> and to serve as a semi-official 'canon' of the language.
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> There are several other popular conlangs (Dothraki, Valyrian to name
> two) that could stand to benefit from such a mechanism.
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> Tim Stoffel
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> --
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Michael Roney, Jr." <nahqun@gmail.com>
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> On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
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>> Am 27.10.2015 um 21:45 schrieb Michael Roney, Jr.:
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>>> At the moment I'd be happy with everything we already have being
>>> organized into one volume.
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>> This is the exact same problem the klingon language community has =
been
> having for decades now. We're stuck with the copyright issue, and the
> owner simply doesn't care. There's nothing we can really do, unless we
> can afford to pay for any kind of license. The KLI is the only one who
> is somehow allowed to publish scholary works, but I doubt we can make =
a
> new edition of the entire TKD. :-(
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> mu'ghomvam vIqonlI'.
> 670 tenwalmey vIghaj.
> ghItlhwIj lo'laHbe' Se'vIr malja' 'e' vISov.
> 'ach jInmol vItIv.
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> ~naHQun
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> --
> ~Michael Roney, Jr.
> Freelance Translator
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class=3D""><div class=3D"">If we are still doing this when Marc Orkand =
dies, or Lawrence Schoen, for that matter, since he=E2=80=99s apparently =
the one that got us the free license from Paramount to play with the =
language and publish stuff without getting sued, then we=E2=80=99ll be =
in a new situation and we=E2=80=99ll have to creatively deal with it. =
Until then, Marc=E2=80=99s our man and we can=E2=80=99t take over his =
role as source for new vocabulary.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">If we try, we=E2=80=99ll probably lose =
our free license from Paramount, and then we=E2=80=99ll have their =
lawyers to deal with.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">There have been attempts at revolution to rip control of the =
vocabulary from Okrand and claim it for our own since qep=E2=80=99a=E2=80=99=
wa=E2=80=99DIch. It=E2=80=99s never worked, and I don=E2=80=99t see it =
working any time soon. Patience works, and we get to play with a nice =
language with some limits we creatively wrestle with.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Yes, we need a single, =
official New Words List that is well maintained by someone this group =
trusts to maintain it well without corrupting it with personal style, =
preferably with citations of sources for each entry. No, we don=E2=80=99t =
need the ability to make up our own words independent of Marc =
Okrand.</div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:16 AM, Tim Stoffel <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tim@lionlamb.us" class=3D"">tim@lionlamb.us</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div =
class=3D"">Considering what the Klingon language community has =
accomplished over<br class=3D"">the years, it would be a shame to think =
that the end of Marc Okrand<br class=3D"">(which I hope is no time =
soon!) could be the end of the Klingon<br class=3D"">language.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">We need a mechanism to keep the language =
alive. The Na'vi community has<br class=3D"">a 'Lexical Expansion =
Project' that works with Paul Frommer to develop<br class=3D"">new =
vocabulary, and occasionally, work through grammar issues. That<br =
class=3D"">committee, which is formed with a charter, would also become =
the new<br class=3D"">vocabulary approval mechanism, should anything =
ever happen to Dr.<br class=3D"">Frommer. So, as long as there is enough =
interest to leep the Lexical<br class=3D"">Expansion Project going, the =
Na'vi language has a future.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I know that =
among ourselves, there is a complete dictionary/lexicon. We<br =
class=3D"">need to develop and maintain such a dictionary, for use =
within the<br class=3D"">community, to help ensure a consistency and =
continuity in the language,<br class=3D"">and to serve as a =
semi-official 'canon' of the language.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">There =
are several other popular conlangs (Dothraki, Valyrian to name<br =
class=3D"">two) that could stand to benefit from such a mechanism.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Tim Stoffel<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">--<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: =
"Michael Roney, Jr." <<a href=3D"mailto:nahqun@gmail.com" =
class=3D"">nahqun@gmail.com</a>><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">On Tue, Oct 27, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Lieven <<a =
href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" class=3D"">levinius@gmx.de</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Am 27.10.2015 um 21:45 schrieb Michael Roney, Jr.:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">At the =
moment I'd be happy with everything we already have being<br =
class=3D"">organized into one volume.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">This is the exact same problem the klingon =
language community has been<br class=3D""></blockquote>having for =
decades now. We're stuck with the copyright issue, and the<br =
class=3D"">owner simply doesn't care. There's nothing we can really do, =
unless we<br class=3D"">can afford to pay for any kind of license. The =
KLI is the only one who<br class=3D"">is somehow allowed to publish =
scholary works, but I doubt we can make a<br class=3D"">new edition of =
the entire TKD. :-(<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br=
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">mu'ghomvam vIqonlI'.<br =
class=3D"">670 tenwalmey vIghaj.<br class=3D"">ghItlhwIj lo'laHbe' =
Se'vIr malja' 'e' vISov.<br class=3D"">'ach jInmol vItIv.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">~naHQun<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">--<br class=3D"">~Michael Roney, Jr.<br class=3D"">Freelance =
Translator<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
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