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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] A question on aspect
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Sun Oct 25 17:11:55 2015
From: "Robyn Stewart" <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 14:11:48 -0700
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If I were to hear {nughoStaHpu'}, I=E2=80=99d assume the speaker started =
to say {nughoStaH} and then circumstances changed and =
{nughoSpu=E2=80=99} became a more reasonable thing to say. Like if =
someone said, =E2=80=9CIt will be ready this afternoon evening.=E2=80=9D =
The two things contradict, so I assume the second one is a correction.
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I say {nughoSpu=E2=80=99taH} to myself I imagine that I was saying =
{nughoSpu=E2=80=99} because I thought it was over, and then realize =
mid-word that they were still coming.
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If you want to say that something that is now finished was ongoing at =
some point, then just say when it happened:
wa=E2=80=99Hu=E2=80=99 nughoStaH. -- Yesterday they were approaching us. =
wa=E2=80=99Hu=E2=80=99 nughoStaH ghIq nujuSpu=E2=80=99. =E2=80=93 =
Yesterday they were approaching us and then they had passed us.
wa=E2=80=99leS nughoSpu=E2=80=99. =E2=80=93 Tomorrow they will have =
approached us.
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- Qov
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From: qunnoQ HoD [mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com]=20
Sent: October 25, 2015 12:44
To: Lieven
Cc: tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] A question on aspect
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> (It's as wrong as "I'm killinged him")
ok,i understand now that it is wrong,and i certainly will not use it ; =
but out of curiosity.. if someone fluent in Klingon heard this (the =
{nughoStaHpu'} or {nughoSpu'taH}) do you think he would understand what =
i would be trying to say ?
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On Sun, Oct 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 25.10.2015 um 15:26 schrieb qunnoQ HoD:
i'm pretty sure that the answer will be <<no>>,but just to err on the
safe side i will ask anyway..
Indeed, the answer is no.
But even from the english point of view, how can something be =
"continuously ongoing" and be "finished" on the same time?
Think about that. :-)
(It's as wrong as "I'm killinged him")
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Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
Grammarian of the KLI
http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
http://www.klingonwiki.net
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D'>If I were to hear {</span>nughoStaHpu'}, <span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I=E2=80=99d assume the speaker started to say {nughoStaH} and then =
circumstances changed and {nughoSpu=E2=80=99} became a more reasonable =
thing to say.=C2=A0 Like if someone said, =E2=80=9CIt will be ready this =
afternoon evening.=E2=80=9D=C2=A0 The two things contradict, so I assume =
the second one is a correction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I say {nughoSpu=E2=80=99taH} to myself I imagine that I was saying =
{nughoSpu=E2=80=99} because I thought it was over, and then realize =
mid-word that they were still coming.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>If you want to say that something that is now finished was ongoing at =
some point, then just say when it =
happened:<br><br>wa=E2=80=99Hu=E2=80=99 nughoStaH. -- Yesterday they =
were approaching us. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>wa=E2=80=99Hu=E2=80=99 nughoStaH ghIq nujuSpu=E2=80=99.=C2=A0 =
=E2=80=93 Yesterday they were approaching us and then they had passed =
us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>wa=E2=80=99leS nughoSpu=E2=80=99. =E2=80=93 Tomorrow they will have =
approached us.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>- Qov<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> qunnoQ HoD =
[mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> October 25, 2015 =
12:44<br><b>To:</b> Lieven<br><b>Cc:</b> =
tlhingan-hol@stodi.digitalkingdom.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Tlhingan-hol] A question on aspect<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>> (It's as wrong as "I'm =
killinged him")<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>ok,i =
understand now that it is wrong,and i certainly will not use it ; but =
out of curiosity.. if someone fluent in Klingon heard this (the =
{nughoStaHpu'} or {nughoSpu'taH}) do you think he would understand what =
i would be trying to say ?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sun, =
Oct 25, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Lieven <<a href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" =
target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Am 25.10.2015 um 15:26 schrieb qunnoQ =
HoD:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>i'm pretty sure that the answer =
will be <<no>>,but just to err on the<br>safe side i will =
ask anyway..<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><br>Indeed, the answer =
is no.<br><br>But even from the english point of view, how can something =
be "continuously ongoing" and be "finished" on the =
same time?<br><br>Think about that. :-)<br><br>(It's as wrong as =
"I'm killinged him")<span =
style=3D'color:#888888'><br><br><span class=3Dhoenzb>-- </span><br><span =
class=3Dhoenzb>Lieven L. Litaer</span><br><span class=3Dhoenzb>aka Quvar =
valer 'utlh</span><br><span class=3Dhoenzb>Grammarian of the =
KLI</span><br><span class=3Dhoenzb><a =
href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a></span><br><s=
pan class=3Dhoenzb><a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.klingonwiki.net</a></span></span><o:p></o:p>=
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