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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] qaghwI' between consonants
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robyn Stewart)
Sat Oct 24 11:44:38 2015
From: Robyn Stewart <robyn@flyingstart.ca>
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 08:44:21 -0700
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y don't get two copies.=20
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 7:34, Karen Alessio <karenalessio@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'm sort of new to this, is there a list somewhere of consonant clusters a=
llowed/disallowed in tlhingan phonology?
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> also, how do I reply to threads in this mailing list? Hit "reply all"? I'm=
feeling kind of newbie-ish right now. sorry.
> thanks!
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> > and the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced
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> that is exactly what i wanted to clarify ! i wondered whether the cluster c=
onsonant-qaghwI'-consonant can be pronounced ; thank you all for answering.
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>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Am 24.10.2015 um 08:11 schrieb Robyn Stewart:
>> > 3.Names can take any form the user wants them to, including letters and=
letter combinations that aren=92t in tlhIngan Hol.
>>=20
>> First to make clear: Qov is one of the most experienced Klingon speakers I=
have ever met, so I have my greatest respect to her knowledge and grammatic=
al opinion. That's why it's not easy for me to contradict.
>>=20
>> This is important for true beginners to understand this correctly:
>>=20
>> Yes, names can be whatever they are. Of course there is no rule for names=
, and they may look what they look like.
>>=20
>> But, on the other hand, it depends on the question asked: if you want to m=
ake a name which follows correct tlhIngan Hol syllables, then you can NOT do=
what you want. The Klingon letters we use are some kind of pronunciation sy=
stem, and the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced. I=
definitely DISCOMMEND any beginners to write words like {qun'noQ} or {QIt'v=
ur} because they simply can NOT be pronounced. It's like writing english nam=
es like "Kpnolstkr" and "Apprlk" - it just makes no sense.
>>=20
>> What you can do is what most authors do, writing "english" Klingon names a=
s we know "K'mtor" or "K'Tinga", but that'sno tlhIngan Hol.
>>=20
>> {paq'batlh} is really one of very few exceptions [please name any others]=
, which is based on the incorrect spelling of the autors, and that's why okr=
and has explained it as archaic klingon.
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Lieven L. Litaer
>> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
>> Grammarian of the KLI
>> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
>> http://www.klingonwiki.net
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I recommend: reply-all, and then delet=
e the original poster's e-mail, so they don't get two copies. </div><di=
v><br>On Oct 24, 2015, at 7:34, Karen Alessio <<a href=3D"mailto:karenale=
ssio@gmail.com">karenalessio@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquo=
te type=3D"cite"><div><p dir=3D"ltr">I'm sort of new to this, is there a lis=
t somewhere of consonant clusters allowed/disallowed in tlhingan phonology?<=
/p>
<p dir=3D"ltr">also, how do I reply to threads in this mailing list? Hit "re=
ply all"? I'm feeling kind of newbie-ish right now. sorry.<br>
thanks!</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quot<blockquote class=3D" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>> and t=
he apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced<br><br></div=
>that is exactly what i wanted to clarify ! i wondered whether the cluster c=
onsonant-qaghwI'-consonant can be pronounced ; thank you all for answering.<=
br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, O=
ct 24, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Lieven <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:levin=
ius@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">levinius@gmx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
solid;padding-left:1ex">Am 24.10.2015 um 08:11 schrieb Robyn Stewart:<br>
> 3.Names can take any form the user wants them to, including letters and=
letter combinations that aren=E2=80=99t in tlhIngan Hol.<br>
<br>
First to make clear: Qov is one of the most experienced Klingon speakers I h=
ave ever met, so I have my greatest respect to her knowledge and grammatical=
opinion. That's why it's not easy for me to contradict.<br>
<br>
This is important for true beginners to understand this correctly:<br>
<br>
Yes, names can be whatever they are. Of course there is no rule for names, a=
nd they may look what they look like.<br>
<br>
But, on the other hand, it depends on the question asked: if you want to mak=
e a name which follows correct tlhIngan Hol syllables, then you can NOT do w=
hat you want. The Klingon letters we use are some kind of pronunciation syst=
em, and the apostrophe between most consonants just cannot be pronounced. I d=
efinitely DISCOMMEND any beginners to write words like {qun'noQ} or {QIt'vur=
} because they simply can NOT be pronounced. It's like writing english names=
like "Kpnolstkr" and "Apprlk" - it just makes no sense.<br>
<br>
What you can do is what most authors do, writing "english" Klingon names as w=
e know "K'mtor" or "K'Tinga", but that'sno tlhIngan Hol.<br>
<br>
{paq'batlh} is really one of very few exceptions [please name any others], w=
hich is based on the incorrect spelling of the autors, and that's why okrand=
has explained it as archaic klingon.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
Lieven L. Litaer<br>
aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br>
Grammarian of the KLI<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://www.klingonwiki.net" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">=
http://www.klingonwiki.net</a></font></span><div><div><br>
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