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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: veSDuj
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Will Martin)
Fri Oct 16 16:42:10 2015
From: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 16:41:52 -0400
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I=E2=80=99ll just add that it seems that certain noun pairs that occur =
together commonly, like {veS} and {Duj} become compound nouns, like =
{veSDuj}. It=E2=80=99s not the case that you can mash any two nouns =
together because they happen to occur on a rare occasion. Klingon is not =
German.
pItlh
lojmIt tI'wI'nuv
> On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
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> Am 16.10.2015 um 19:51 schrieb qunnoQ HoD:
>> why {veSDuj} and not {veS Duj} ?
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> A more general answer:
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> First, Okrand has once answered to this kind of questions that since =
Klingon was intended as a spoken (not written) language, he did not =
think much about the difference of compound nouns being written with or =
without space, because you don't hear the difference.
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> Next, Okrand does not follow a specific pattern, he even sometimes =
writes the same word with or without space (unintentionally).
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> Third, there still is not much difference in the meaning. Compare the =
english translations "warship" and "ship of war".
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> The only difference there is, is that when with two separate words, =
the first word may take a suffix, which will not work with some of the =
compound words. You cannot tear apart all of the compound nouns.
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> Briefly summarizing, we don't know for sure, and simply need to accept =
that's it's just the way it is. You cannot drive in a parkway, but you =
park in the driveway.
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> --=20
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
> http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher
> http://www.klingonwiki.net
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class=3D"">I=E2=80=99ll just add that it seems that certain noun pairs =
that occur together commonly, like {veS} and {Duj} become compound =
nouns, like {veSDuj}. It=E2=80=99s not the case that you can mash any =
two nouns together because they happen to occur on a rare occasion. =
Klingon is not German.<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">
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<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 16, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Lieven <<a =
href=3D"mailto:levinius@gmx.de" class=3D"">levinius@gmx.de</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">Am =
16.10.2015 um 19:51 schrieb qunnoQ HoD:<br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">why {veSDuj} and not {veS Duj} ?<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">A more general answer:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">First, Okrand has once answered to this kind =
of questions that since Klingon was intended as a spoken (not written) =
language, he did not think much about the difference of compound nouns =
being written with or without space, because you don't hear the =
difference.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Next, Okrand does not follow a =
specific pattern, he even sometimes writes the same word with or without =
space (unintentionally).<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Third, there still =
is not much difference in the meaning. Compare the english translations =
"warship" and "ship of war".<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The only =
difference there is, is that when with two separate words, the first =
word may take a suffix, which will not work with some of the compound =
words. You cannot tear apart all of the compound nouns.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Briefly summarizing, we don't know for sure, and simply need =
to accept that's it's just the way it is. You cannot drive in a parkway, =
but you park in the driveway.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">-- <br =
class=3D"">Lieven L. Litaer<br class=3D"">aka Quvar valer 'utlh<br =
class=3D"">Grammarian of the KLI<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher" =
class=3D"">http://www.facebook.com/Klingonteacher</a><br =
class=3D"">http://www.klingonwiki.net<br class=3D""><br =
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